1 John Chapter 5 Discussion



 
  • Fast Demas Red 500 on 1 John 5 - 1 year ago
    1 John 5:13

    Philippians 4:8

    King James Version

    8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    Well done! It's me and it is done.
  • Michael on 1 John 5 - 1 year ago
    V.1 "ever" following "whoso" indicates perpetuity of person. Regenerate believers now possess eternal life. The "eth" suffix of "believe" indicates the perpetual tense of the verb. Hence an ongoing person engaged in an ongoing activity which specifically is believing a "that" Jesus- not an "any" Jesus. The "that" Jesus is meticulously and conspicuously the subject of all scripture. There is but one real Jesus who is the Christ. None believe that Jesus is the Chirist but that they are first "born of God". Believing that Jesus is the Christ does Not motivate God to save the man. Believing that that exclusive Jesus the Word of God testifies of indicates that God has generated or if you prefer, regenerated the man. As it is written Salvation (being born of God) is of the (one) Lord.
  • Edmichol on 1 John 5 - 1 year ago
    According to His will! It's pretty much common sense that if you make a request of anyone, according to their desire (or will), then they will hear you. A lot of things that have to do with following the Lord is simple common sense. We are the ones that make walking with the Lord harder than it should be. In 1997 the Lord got a much better hold of my heart. One of the first things he taught me was to simplify. Keep it simple folks, it works!
  • The AMEN (TRINITY) AMEN I AM!!! on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    I Am The :AMEN' Revelations: 3:14 AMEN!!!

    The SEED of the Son of Man: Isaiah 53:10 JESUS'S SON aka: Anthony Arrive
  • Baker - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Isn't a sin that goes un-repented in danger? there is a one sin that is unforgiven so reads Mark 3:28-29
  • Jag on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

    What does it mean? What is the sin that does not lead to death?
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Hi Larry B.

    The Ezekiel reference is future. "It's during the Millennium " Ezekiel is seeing a vision as Ezekiel 40:1-2 says.

    But let's set that aside and be direct with one another. Your aim is to fight anyone who claims Israel exist. Atleast that's what your original post seems to say. I've sent you several verses where God says his promises depends himself and his honor as a father to them and not their obedience. God is not a liar and he doesn't make promises that he don't see through and when he promised to Abraham he promised by himself. Hebrews 6:13-18.

    LISTEN TO THE LORD ASSURANCE TO THEIR EXISTENCE.

    Jeremiah 31:35-36. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

    If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

    AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THE SUN AND THE MOON STILL SHINES!

    VERSE 37 GIVES ASSURANCE IN A WAY THAT IT CONTRADICT YOU DIRECTLY.

    Jeremiah 31:37. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel FOR ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE, saith the LORD.

    GOD SAYS IF YOU CAN MEASURE HEAVEN AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH SEARCHED OUT BENEATH HE WILL CUT OUT THE SEED OF ISRAEL FOR ALL THE WRONG THEY HAVE DONE!!!

    ARE YOU SAYING HE'S LYING?

    Larry B you may not have to like Israel but you should be glad to see they still exist because if God's word and promises can't be trusted then we have no hope.

    God bless.
  • Larry B - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Read the verseKJV:afterwards he brought me to the gate,even to the gate that looks towards the east and yes he send his son

    Jesus but the Muslim didn't accept him in spite of God telling them to honour him they're supposed to follow and e the workers of jesus,hence they 1230 days instead of forever
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Larry B but God did send his son who was prophesied to come as the sacrificial Lamb of God before time began. 1 Peter 1:20. And he did that for his name sake not their righteousness. God never gave them the land for their righteousness, he gave them the land because he promised Abraham. Read Deuteronomy 9.

    SPEAKING ON SALVATION.

    God is promises to Abraham wasn't by way of man's righteousness, We and Israel is heirs to the promise by faith. Read Galatians 3 and Galatians 4.

    n Ezekiel 40:1-2. You see Ezekiel speaks of a vision, This vision is of the temple in the Millennium kingdom. He speaks on this vision of the coming kingdom on through the rest of the book.

    Ezekiel 40:1-2.

    "In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD WAS UPON ME, AND BROUGHT ME THITHER.

    IN THE VISIONS of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south."

    Here in Ezekiel 43:1-2. he gives mention of the east gate and the Lord. No people from the east as you mentioned.

    "Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:

    And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory."

    Also read Romans 9,10, and 11.

    God bless.
  • Larry B - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Yes but they never followed God almighty. To the point that God send his only SON who they crucified hence their extinction.

    Jerusalem was desolate hence in Ezekiel 43 he prophesied that Jerusalem will have people from the east. But the people from the east prefers Mohammad than Jesus. Leading us now to tribulation
  • Covenants and Land ownership - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Isaac and Jacob were both circumcised__as was Ishmael.

    God initiated a covenant with Abraham that the Jews would be circumcised. Genesis 17:7-14; 21

    In Genesis 17:15-21. God initiated a Covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah, that a child of their flesh would be born to them in one years time.

    In Genesis 17:20 God tells of the blessing given to Ishmael and his descendants: wealth, princes, power, kingdoms. Genesis 15:4, God says Ishmael is not Abrahams heir.

    The DEED to the Lands of Israel- Genesis 12:1-3, 6-7 and

    Genesis 17:7-8. Genesis 15:12-21.

    These are the issues that perpetuate struggles in the land of Israel. I know Ishmael was firstborn, but his mother is Hagar a handmaiden to Sarah. Abrahams wife was Sarah; the marriage covenant wife of Abraham. If you'll Google Hagars history, you'll see she returned to her people with Ishmael.

    Later Sarah died and Abraham married another woman. Hagar returned there. I think I remember that she lived there for a time, but not in Abraham's household. Eventually she returned to her people. It's a very sad story.

    I've lived missed opportunities myself. It's harsh. But we get up out of the ashes and see what God has planned for us, next.

    Endings are usually sad, but new beginnings can be joyful.

    Mishael
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Larry B.

    Not to debate you on this because to hold the view you hold you would have to ignore 2 thirds of scripture.

    Here's just a few.

    Ezekiel 11:17-20 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

    And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.

    And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

    That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

    Jeremiah 32:37-40. Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

    And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

    And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

    And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

    Isaiah 48:8-11. Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I KNEW THAT THOU WOULDEST DEAL VERY TREACHEROUSLY, AND WAST CALLED A TRANSGRESSORS FROM THE WOMB.

    FOR MY NAME'S SAKE WILL I DEFER MINE ANGER, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

    Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

    FOR MINE OWN SAKE, EVEN FOR MINE OWN SAKE, WILL I DO IT: FOR HOW SHOULD MY NAME BE POLLUTED? And I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY UNTO ANOTHER.

    God's name is tied to the existence and restoration of Israel.
  • Larry B on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Greetings from God almighty: the creator of heaven and earth and father of Jesus Christ:This book declare the truth, the importance of the commandments and truth about jesus. This also warn everyone about the Antichrist which is already there : paul his writing Roman,galatians, were wrong disregard the covenant of GOD to Abraham and CIRCUMCISION that is why he had initiated discord in the church and have fight against peter.after that the Jews were completely destroyed.' But he may have escaped he was in Rome and was a Roman ' Gen17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people he had broken the covenant THIS IS EVERLASTING. Coincidentally the Jew was ruthlessly destroyed cut off by the Romans Empire .take note that ISMAEL followed the covenant and his children are Billion another co incidence.

    God Almighty Bless us all
  • Grae - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Very clear answer , thankyou I appreciate your posts very much .
  • Michael F Brickey Jr - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question. I pray that wherever you are God's Light and Glory Shines upon you and your family until the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus. I understand that scripture very well thank you for sharing it. Please read 2 posts up in my other answer. I Must hold myself to a higher standard in God and not to create turmoil in my spirit. Does this make since? I look at what God did for us bringing us out of the Law of the OT. Because we could never attain salvation under the Law. So, I look at what God did for us bringing us unto himself. By the Cross and sending Jesus into this world to die for our sins that whosoever believes in him should not perish but gain eternal life! Ok now that being said it's that Grace, I choose not to take advantage of. When I look back on my life and see all my failures and everything I have repented of and been forgiven of, how can I not give my complete self as sacrifice as I push forward into his righteousness. I have truly laid down my life as a sacrifice to further my relationship towards sanctification in Christ Jesus. I give freely of all I have, to all that have needs because of the calling on my life. After all I have seen from my time spent in the Persian Gulf and the Balkans. To come home to suffer, not getting help because of Pride and trying to do it all on my own. God is the only one that could fix the monster I had become. So, for all my Gratitude I choose Peace, Love and Understanding and to move into a deeper relationship with God so he can maintain control of my soul because it is his to begin with. I have chosen to become a bondservant for Christ Jesus. My prayer when I pray is that if anything unclean and unrighteous be found in my mind or body it be removed; if any thought is impure, it be blotted out. If my tongue defile me or sews discord that God shut my mouth. I do my best to forsake all sin so that nothing be found in me at Jesus 2nd coming especially now! Peace be with you!
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Dear Grae, I think God doesn't hold you accountable for what you don't know but for what you know and choose to do the opposite hence disobey Him. When we are young in faith we often do not realize that some things we do, God does not actually like them. As we grow spiritually we understand more and more of God's expectations from us and so we correct things that previously may seemed to us to be OK

    Paul in his letter to Corinthians writes: 1 Cor 3:1-3

    "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

    I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

    For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"

    So when we first come to Jesus we are still babies in faith. Paul calls this situation "carnal". Why? Because as babies do not know much and may do something wrong without realizing it, similarly we do the same. God loves us and knows all that and has patience and wants us to become mature in faith. How do we become mature? We need "milk" in the begining, that is the initial easy understood Word of God. So we are getting mature and start using solid food(meat), that is a deeper understanding of God's Will. And so we are progressing (or should do) towards what Paul calls "perfection" See Phillpians 3:12-14. Do we actually reach a stage that we become so? My belief in no we don't, we still have a sinful nature to fight against it, still learning things about God, about our heart...but we walk along this good path.

    Paul in 1 Cor 4:4 writes "For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord."

    That means that even Paul was not sure of what his heart really had inside, so God who knows our heart can actually judge right.

    Conclusion? Do what you know, repent for what you know you did wrong and let God lead you and your life.

    GBU
  • Michael F Brickey Jr - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    First of all, let me say thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I pray the love of our Lord and savior Christ Jesus continuously pour into your hearts and lives. I just got done reading Rom 7 and couldn't stop. Went through to chapter 9 and will go back into it more later. I understand everything said and know it as truth. The relationship I share with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is on a very much deeper level than most as I have chosen to sacrifice my life in its entirety. My life is not my own it is Gods. I am 54 years old grew up in a home with a family that had no love and was extremely violent and shed with blood and misery. Admittedly my choices in life were my own. I was a vile individual from the time I joined the army until Feb this year. I had fought my whole life to not become that man my dad was. I failed in Feb 2022 when I raised my hand against my wife and went to Jail. I paid my penalties and did my time and have since repented. That was the turning point of my life that I chose to fight the good fight and stand for Jesus! When I saw that verse 1 John 5:17 from where I'm at now in my life it wasn't me in the flesh but The Holy Spirit that quickened me. I have been in seclusion isolated with God and my dog since that day and have dedicated my life to seeking God. I have chosen to remove everything that is worldly from my life. I really do not partake of sin. It utterly repulses my spirit and flesh, yes, my flesh as I have given control of my entire being to God for use through the Holy Spirit. I do fail daily but the Holy spirit convicts me instantly. I am not perfect but have come to the realization that 54 years has been too long and fraught with peril. I cannot control the flesh but God sure can when you ask him to. To me, I must live with the realization that Sin = Death because of how I choose to live now. For sure as I turn my back on God, I become a monster you do not want. Peace and Love in Jesus! Amen!!
  • Grae - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Gianni's I enjoyed your post . However , do u agree that we may sin without realising it ? We may sin and not know that we have and maybe even never know because we can't remember everything that we have ever said or done in our lives . What about those sins ? The ones we r never even aware of committing ? R those sins forgiven ?
  • Williamlegon - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    The sin unto death is turning your back from Gods calls you by the Holy Spirit he gives ever one a chances to be saved
  • Alex N - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Michael let me give ya my take on this verse....Go to Romans 7 Read the whole chapter....Paul is telling us that we sin many times b/c its not us that does it but sin that dwells in our members....O wretched man that i am...With my mind i serve the law of GOD but with my FLESH THE LAW OF SIN....I find a law that when i wd do good evil is present with me....Paul says if we do something we do not CONSENT UNTO its not us that does it but sin that dwells in our members...But he goes on to say there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus....WHY IS THERE NO CONDEMNATION....Simply b/c when we are bornagain satan sows a tare in us with the wheat ....making us 2 persons....The wheat and the tares make us 2 persons....Then we are involved in a warfare....We answer to the 2 men in 1 bed...But we are just 1 person...But 1 will be taken and 1 will be left...Gather the tares in bundles and burn them Jesus says....But gather the wheat into my barn...kingdom

    ......And also the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death... Romans 8 : 2 kjv

    ......There is a sin not unto death b/c of the tares that satan puts in us makes us SIN trying to destroy us....Thats y he is saying there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus....The lord knows we do things we do not consent unto, we are involved in a war with satan...We walk in the flesh but we do not war in the flesh....We war in the spirit...
  • Vince Willard - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Yes we as Christians we are God's instruments to do his and the Son of God's will here on earth. Through the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost
  • Giannis - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Dear Michael. If i understood well the verse that troubles you is "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death"

    Firstly any sin is unrighteousness, I think this is clear. Now any sin (virtually any) is forgiven by God once one repents for commiting it, it is like these sins were never commited. So sins that we have repented for, do not lead to (spiritual) death [hell]. There is one sin though that God never forgives. This is the blasphemy of the Holly Spirit. And this occurs ONLY (be careful, virtually ONLY) when one attributes to satan the works of the Holly Spirit, like, say, healing, casting out demons etc. This is the sin that leads to eternal death [hell]. To understand that well, please read carefully Matthew 12:22-32. GBU
  • Michael F Brickey Jr on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    First off let me say that I am a vessel, created in the image of God (man) 200%! I am in a transition in my life, in that I am sacrificing everything I have to be sold so I can follow Jesus as he asked of us in his ministry on earth. I know that God is "NO" author of confusion; but that of Love, Peace and Understanding and all that is GOOD! Ok this is my question: If we know the wages of sin is death, how can we trust 1 John 5-17: All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death? I can find no reference to justify this verse. Can someone please share with me the facts of this verse. The Holy Spirit in me will not let me believe this. Every scenario and thought leads me back to Sin = Death! Then comes another question: Man has been translating and editing the Bible for centuries.... So, if I use this reasoning and understanding when did Man add this verse? Because my God which is the creator of all things in Heaven and on earth That sent Jesus to die for our "SINS" that when we believe this we are saved unto eternal life.

    Please enlighten me!

    Your Brother in Christ Jesus,

    Michael F Brickey Jr
  • The Holy Spirit is our Helper - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Yes he is, beloved,

    2 Kings 14:26

    For the LORD saw the affliction of Israel, that it was very bitter: for there was not any shut up, nor any left, nor any helper for Israel.

    Job 30:13

    They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.

    Psalms 10:14

    Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.

    Psalms 30:10

    Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper.

    Psalms 54:4

    Behold, God is mine helper: the Lord is with them that uphold my soul.

    Psalms 72:12

    For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.

    Romans 16:9

    Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.

    Hebrews 13:6

    So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
  • Jonas Tetteh Kanor on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Jesus is my helper and my life
  • Response - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Context is a great thing .

    I don't see it here .
  • MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 16:18

    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock

    I WILL BUILD my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 1 Corinthians 10:4

    [ Luke 9: the account of Jesus's Transfiguration]

    28-29 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, Jesus took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

    And as Jesus prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

    Verses 33-35

    And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three (CHURCHES) tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: NOT knowing what he said.

    While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

    And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM.

    Mishael comment: it was the wrong time to start planning 3 Churches. In the verse from Matthew, it's clear that Jesus will build His Church. A church not made with hands.
  • Mishael - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Study how Jesus did things; what he said.

    He always went off a little ways, to pray and seek Godas in talk to His Father. His ways are always right for us too.
  • Jonas Tetteh Kanor on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Iam a discipl for jesus and l love it
  • Biblefollower on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    1 John 5.7,8

    For there are THREE that beat record in heaven , ( notice it does not say 1 bears record in heaven )

    These 3 are in agreement and one in testimony .

    It also reads like this in verse 8

    Last part of the verse reads " and these three agree in one .

    Please let's be consistent when rightly dividing the word .


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