2 Chronicles Chapter 21 Discussion

  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 21 - 1 year ago
    Hello LukeCage151. Thanks for your enquiry. I'm sorry that I cannot link my source, as my information was gleaned primarily from my Bible. I can say this though, that it is one of the old versions of the KJV Ryrie Study Bible (bought in 1982), but even a newer edition that I have (since the old one is falling apart) also has this information, but presented differently.

    A little about Charles Caldwell Ryrie: (March 2, 1925 - February 16, 2016). He was an American Bible scholar and Christian theologian. He served as professor of systematic theology and dean of doctoral studies at Dallas Theological Seminary and as president and professor at what is now Cairn University. After his retirement from Dallas Theological Seminary he also taught courses for Tyndale Theological Seminary. He is considered one of the most influential American theologians of the 20th century. He was the editor of The Ryrie Study Bible by Moody Publishers, containing more than 10,000 of his explanatory notes. First published in 1978, it has sold more than 2 million copies. He was a notable proponent of classic premillennial dispensationalism (this info taken from the Web).

    So, coupled with his detailed charts attached at the end of the Bible, his explanatory notes within the Bible itself & my own double-checking between the Scriptures on specific kings, I have shared that information to this thread's enquirer. I realize that any non-biblical information given can be disputed, since it may not be clearly revealed within the Word, but as mentioned, I've found this man Ryrie, to be very knowledgeable & fundamental in his treatment of the Scriptures & in his presentation of any helps like the one I've shared.
  • LukeCage151 - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 21 - 1 year ago
    Could you please link your source for this? Thank you.
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 21 - 1 year ago
    Hi Catherine. I'm unsure where you got that detail from, as my study of the chronology of events during this period show differently. If I might share my gleanings.

    In the Kingdom of Judah: King Jehoshapat reigned from 873-848 ( 1 Kings 22:41) and then his son Jehoram was co-regent with him from 853 ( 2 Kings 8:16). After his father died, he continued in his reign (i.e. from 853 & then continued on from 848-841).

    In the Kingdom of Israel: King Ahab reigned from 874-853 ( 1 Kings 16:29) & the Prophet Elijah was alive at that time ( 1 Kings 17:1). Elijah also lived & ministered under the next king, King Ahaziah's reign (853-852; 1 Kings 22:51) and then into the reign of King Jehoram (852-841; 2 Kings 1:17). This king was also known as Joram. By the way, it is a coincidence that we see the two Jehorams reigning side-by-side in the two kingdoms; unfortunately, both were bad kings.

    When that "writing" (mentioned in 2 Chronicles 21:12) came to Jehoram, the King of JUDAH, (NOT Israel); though Elijah was actually a prophet to the Kingdom of Israel), Elijah would still have been alive. We're not told which year the 'letter' was sent, or received by Jehoram. The 'letter' might even have been delivered to Jehoram some time after Elijah's translation into Heaven, if Elijah wrote it just prior to his departure. So the way I understand it, is that Elijah was well & truly on Earth at this time, though possibly his age & distance may have prevented him from actually making that journey to Jerusalem in the southern kingdom.

    As a footnote, I should say that the reigning years of the various kings are taken from reliable sources that have done the calculations going back into biblical history & from other historical documents; i.e. I've not guesstimated those dates.
  • Catherine Watson on 2 Chronicles 21 - 1 year ago
    How could Elijah write to this king when he went up to heaven in a fiery chariot in like 200 years before??
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 21 - 2 years ago
    Thanks Peter. Just to confirm the family line (Judah): King Jehoshaphat's son was Jehoram ( 2 Chronicles 21:1) & Jehoram's son was Jehoahaz (or, Ahaziah): 2 Chronicles 21:17. All Jehoahaz's siblings were killed by the Philistines, etc. & he was the only one left; therefore, heir to the throne. So, if Jehoahaz "followed in the footsteps of his own father", he wouldn't have done well at all, since Jehoram was evil as well taking on the evil ways of the kings of Israel ( 2 Chronicles 21:6,11,13).

    And yes, a good person, or king in this instance, can start off well, but if he begins to forget the Lord, not taking in the Word, not listening to God's warnings through the prophets, then he opens himself up to all manner of wickedness, not only giving in to the lusts of the people, but also propagating the apparatus to serve other gods & to overfill their lusts. The kings of Israel had a bad record in this regard; all of them evil (all 18 of them, though Jehu appeared 'good' in part) till their captivity to Assyria. And of the 19 kings of Judah, 8 appeared to serve the Lord with a heart & will towards God, yet the Babylonian captivity awaited them too.

    And we see the same today as believers, when our eyes turn from the Lord & His Word, our hearts begin to wander & the appeal of the flesh begin to take hold. So the apostles had to continually warn & teach the Church to the end that they would set their hearts right again & not suffer under the discipline of God. Both Israel & Judah had every opportunity & warning, as does the Church now, but they tested the Lord's patience to the point of suffering & banishment. This again reminds us that it's not worth the pain & loss - the world ought to have no appeal to our hearts, just as Israel & Judah should have been so circumspect given all that the Lord had done for them & all this before their very eyes. The OT has some great lessons for us today. Blessings brother & the Lord's enrichment in every way to your life.
  • Lee R Rayner on 2 Chronicles 21 - 3 years ago
    Why at times did God want Israel to have lots of gold lots of silver, & lots of jewelry and wear it if they should choose to ? and other times he didn't want them to have any gold, silver, or any Jewelry. ( clues ) Answers are found in Ezekiel chapter 16. Also Isaiah chapter 61: 10 read before and after. It was a way of life in Israel . Then Exodus chapter 28 : Concerning the minister or High priest by God's command had to wear in worship . All the colours And gold and twelve stones embedded into the ephod each one with the names of the twelve tribes etched in them. The dress affair is a interesting study. But it was commanded by God .Also take a look at Rebecca in genesis. When you get your answer, you will also understand the story Jesus told about the prodigal son And why his father treated him like he did when the boy returned. God bless you all. Thank for this opportunity.
  • Eric Lopez on 2 Chronicles 21 - 3 years ago
    Why would he kill his brothers?
  • Stanjett on 2 Chronicles 21 - 4 years ago
    And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day. hemorrhoids.
  • A disciple on 2 Chronicles 21 - 6 years ago
    Jehoshaphat was seduced by a deceitful spirit into giving his son Joram in marriage into the house of Ahab, the hater of the LORD. And although Jehoshaphat himself eventually received the rebuke from the LORD and amended his ways; the effects of that sin was that devil was allowed entrance and nearly put out the light of the house of David. In fact in Matthew 1 there are three generations deleted!
  • A disciple on 2 Chronicles 21 - 6 years ago
    Ren; you may find interesting and helpful Adultery in Exodus 20:14; Matt. 5:27-28 etc. means Apostasy; and so figuratively, Idolatry. In older translations like the Wycliffe Bible it is translated, "Thou shalt not Commit Lechery." Fornication in the O.T. is "Highly Fed, and therefore Wanton, to Commit Adultery, or Idolatry;" in the N.T. 'Porneia' which is Harlotry, Indulge Lust, Practice Idolatry.
  • Ren on 2 Chronicles 21 - 6 years ago
    @Black-Adultery is ONLY applicable to "MARRIED" persons while
    Fornication is ONLY applicable to "UNMARRIED" (SINGLE) persons 1 Corinthians 7:2 - Luke 16:18
  • Symon on 2 Chronicles 21 - 8 years ago
    Ilearn a lession that we should follow our fathers steps
  • Shawn guy on 2 Chronicles 21:11 - 12 years ago
    that the word of God he say so and it is so
  • Battyus on 2 Chronicles 21 - 13 years ago
    @ali omar: In the Bible many people have multiple names. In this case this new king was called Jehoahaz, Ahaziah and also Azariah.

    Jehoahaz mentioned in 2Chronicles 21:17 is the same person whom is called Ahaziah in 2Chronicles 22:1.

    He is also called Azariah in 2Chronicles 22:6.
  • Ali omar on 2 Chronicles 21 - 13 years ago
    jehoahaz was the only son left,

    17 And they came up into Judah, and brake into it, and carried away all the substance that was found in the king's house, and his sons also, and his wives; so that there was never a son left him, save Jehoahaz, the youngest of his sons.

    but the next chapter it says ahaziah who became king???
  • Sam on 2 Chronicles 21 - 14 years ago
    Pronunciation: ˌfȯr-nə-ˈkā-shən
    Function: noun
    Date: 14th century
    : consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other
  • Black on 2 Chronicles 21 - 14 years ago
    The word "fornication" means "idolatry", not "sex before marriage" like a lot of Christians believe. In the Old Testament, "sex" = "marriage"; and, that's why Jesus said, "An Adulterous and Perverse generation seek after a sign.."

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