2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • Linda williams on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    Is there written in the holy bible about the end of days deception by aliens?
  • Ms.smith on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    I love you bible.
  • T Levis - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    Luke 8:13, context Luke 8, these are Jesus words,

    Matthew 24, Mark 13,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Manfromoyi on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    "Great falling away": Revelations 9:15 talks of a third of mankind died. What could have happened? I think that the covid mRNA vaccines are just that. The chapter talks about demons having a King over them ( Appollo) and scorpions giving poison and being the cause of the deaths in revelations 9:15 or thereabouts. These are vaccines and the king over them is the Hippocratic oath that doctors take.

    This , I believe is the mark of the beast of revelations 13 and 14. Why? The most crucial reason for this belief is that the vaccines change the human DNA by a process called reverse transcriptase. Thay add something to God's creation of human DNA and it is forever passed on through the lineage of anyone who takes the vaccines.

    Christ said in Matthew 24 that as it was in the time of Noah so shall it be in the time of the coming of the Son of man. In Noah's time the "sons of God" (demons cast out of Heaven) liaised with women and the human DNA was corrupted. In Genesis chapter 6 only Noah was perfect. The word "perfect" is the same word of the Exodus where an unblemished lamb was sacrificed. It refers to physical perfection... God's creation.

    This is what the great falling away refers to. Over 5,000,000,000 people have taken the vaccines that change the DNA. Equally doctors have said that ANYONE who has taken the vaccines WILL die soon. This refers to the "four winds ( Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson)" that are kept for a particular hour, day , and year in Revelations 6 , I think. They are told not to hurt trees or grass but ONLY those men who don't have the seal of God in their foreheads. In other words , those who reject Christ. Revelations chapter 9 says a third of mankind died. That's 2,500,000,000 people. That , I believe , is the great falling away.

    Sitting in the temple of Christ... are our bodies not the temple of God. He has already done the deed
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2Th 2:8. Then shall that Wicked be revealed - When the obstacle, mentioned in the preceding verse, should be removed, then shall that wicked, etc. Nothing can be plainer than that the lawless, (), as the Greek signifies, the wicked one, here mentioned, and the man of sin, must be one and the same person. The apostle was speaking before of what hindered that he should be revealed, and would continue to hinder it till it was taken away; and then the wicked one, etc. Not that he should be consumed immediately after he was revealed. But the apostle, to comfort the Thessalonians, no sooner mentions his revelation than he foretells also his destruction, even before he describes his other qualifications. His other qualifications should have been described first, in order of time; but the apostle hastens to what was first and warmest in his thoughts and wishes: Whom the Lord shall consume, etc. If these two clauses refer to two distinct and different events, the meaning manifestly is, that the Lord Jesus shall gradually consume him with the free preaching and publication of his word; and shall utterly destroy him at his second coming, in the glory of his Father, with all the holy angels. If these two clauses relate to one and the same event, it is a pleonasm very usual in the sacred, as well as other oriental writings; and the purport plainly is, that the Lord Jesus shall destroy him with the greatest facility, when he shall be revealed from heaven, as the apostle has expressed it in the preceding chapter.
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2 Thess 2:7

    For the mystery of iniquity doth already work - There is a system of corrupt doctrine, which will lead to the general apostasy, already in existence, but it is a mystery; it is as yet hidden; it dare not show itself, because of that which hindereth or withholdeth. But when that which now restraineth shall be taken out of the way, then shall that wicked one be revealed-it will then be manifest who he is, and what he is.

    2Th 2:5, 2Th 2:6, 2Th 2:7. Remember ye not, etc. - The apostle thought it part of his duty, as he made it a part of his preaching and doctrine, to forewarn his new converts of the grand apostasy that would infect the Church, even while he was at Thessalonica. From these verses it appears that the man of sin was not then revealed; his time was not yet come, or the season of his manifestation. The mystery of iniquity was indeed already working; the seeds of corruption were sown, but they were not grown up to maturity; the man of sin was yet hardly conceived in the womb; it must be some time before he could be brought forth; there was some obstacle that hindered his appearing. What this was we cannot determine with absolute certainty at so great a distance of time; but if we may rely upon the concurrent testimony of the fathers, it was the Roman empire. Most probably it was somewhat relating to the higher powers, because the apostle observes such caution; he mentioned it in discourse, but would not commit it to writing.
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2 Thess 2:6

    And now ye know what withholdeth - I told you this among other things; I informed you what it was that prevented this man of sin, this son of perdition, from revealing himself fully.

    The Antichrist (Satan) is on the earth, working in secret not making himself known, till he has hold of everyone's hearts and minds through false theology (Dispensationalism, Israel futurism) and corrupt worldviews..
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2Th 2:5 (KJV) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    Paul tacitly charges them, and rebukes them gently for it; and as a faithful monitor, stirs up their pure minds by way of remembrance, and reminds them of former truths delivered to them: they were confused by false Apostles
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2Th 2:4 (KJV) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    this verse nails it home as to who is being spoken of (Satan)
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2Th 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    let no man or woman deceive you, that day shall not come (the day of Christ) except there come a falling away from the true faith, which has been happening slowly but seems to have ramped up today, with all this false theology, dispensationalism being at the top of the list in the destruction of American Christianity..

    so the falling away is first then, that man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed

    the man of sin and the son of perdition are speaking of the same.... Satan

    here's the reference for the man of sin... Isaiah 14:16... start around verse 12 and read to verse 23 to get the context..

    and the reference for the son of perdition... John 17:12
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2Th 2:2 (KJV) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    Paul says not to be shaken or troubled, in spirit nor word (new bible versions) or letter, there were false letter going around in Pauls day, that the day of Christ is at hand, the day of Christ is not at hand, Christ is not coming any minute, some things have to happen first...
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2Th 2:1 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

    Its clear by the opening statement that this chapter is about the coming of our Lord Jesus and the gathering together of believers unto him.
  • Postmyers567 on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    2 Thess 2:9

    Euen him whose comming is after the working of Satan, with all power and signes, and lying wonders,"

    this is another example where people have replaced Christ with Antichrist, and the only way to make it work is by this invention of a man indwelt by Satan called "the Antichrist" but this chapter is about Christ and Satan the word Antichrist is not mentioned, if you want to say that Satan is "The Antichrist" then that makes sense.

    The "whose comming " in verse 9 is the Lord Jesus coming, the king James bible is honest when words are added to the bible, and in this case "Even him" is added in verse 9, read verses 8 and 9 together without the "even him" and its clear.

    2Th 2:8 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    2Th 2:9 (KJV) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    his coming, (Christ's coming) whose coming (Christ's coming) it doesn't make sense to say "the Antichrist" (Satan) is coming after the working of Satan...

    so the Lords coming is after the working of Satan, now you know why they have to invent a man "The Antichrist" to hide this simple truth
  • Clois - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    Thank you!
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    Hey Clois,

    I will try to keep it short; this is my understanding.

    We see at the end of Revelation 12 in the original text the dragon is standing on the sand and the first beast comes up out of the sea (abyss/bottomless pit). In Revelation 13 the dragon (Satan) gives this beast his seat, power, and great authority to this beast, and he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. He is given 42 months = 1260 days = 3 years. There is also in the site of this first beast another beast with two horns, the false prophet.

    In Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days the same amount of time as the two beasts (great tribulation) the image people are made to worship, the mark to be able to buy or sell, and the killings of those that reject, (the hour of temptation).

    In Revelation 11:7-8 this beast that comes out of the bottomless pit kills the two witnesses in the "city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt," (Jerusalem). This same beast we see in Revelation 9 and Revelation 17.

    In Revelation, there are three the dragon (Satan), the first beast, and the false prophet (the second beast). If we go by the description of antichrist the only place in the bible given by John in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 1:7 there are billions, not just one.

    Hope this helps,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Douglas Borchard - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    The two witnesses show up at the time when the antichrist causes the abomination of desolation, between the 5th Seal and the 6th Seal and that is also when the Great Tribulation starts.
  • Marke - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    Reply to "Clois Edwards"

    There are two men in the OT who were said to have been taken off the earth or out of sight of their brethren on earth without dying, Enoch and Elijah. I believe those two will be the two witnesses in Revelation who will be killed and raised again 3 days later. The Bible tells us Enoch will prophesy of the Lord's return to earth at the end of the tribulation ( Jude 14) and also prophesies of Elijah's ministry during the tribulation ( Matt 17:10.)
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    I've always believed it is Moses and Elijah. Writers of the LAW and the PROPHETS.

    We People are going to want to kill them because they are fully against any law of one who tells what is coming, on earth. They do not want to obey any of Gods laws.

    They will not be able to kill them, until time is up.
  • Clois Edwards on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 1 year ago
    Bible verse in the KJV talks about the two witnesses appear at the beginning of the tribulation.
  • Free - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    Dear "Charley",

    thank you for coming with this reminder. And as so many times before, we must never stop teaching / patient all people.

    Now there are separate threads in here that explain hell and they make parts of all the levels of the earth. So u can like them, i would advise you to look at them. We must also remember that everyone on the web is at different levels in God's plan and in His arrangement as well. So that we is always indulgent with everyone. Everyone is welcome here on the web, whether they will be is another matter unfortunately. and in the kingdom of God too. In Jesus Christ. :) Peace be with you and yours. Romans 5: 1-5 love u in Christ.
  • Charley on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 1 year ago
    jesus did not go to hell he went to the lower parts of the earth the holding place

    for the old testament saints to bring them to paradise . ephesians 4-8-9

    jesus conquered death hell and the grave and never suffered in hell this

    is blasphemy hesuffered on a olden wooden cross for lost sinners.
  • Marke - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    There is a reason the Bible does not say Jesus "took our place" on the cross or in hell or that He died as "our substitute." Such wording is not completely accurate and therefore not in the Bible. Jesus took His place on the cross as a sinless substitute for the sins of the whole world because there was none other to take that place. Furthermore, Jesus did for the sins of the whole world, not just sinners, so if He had taken the place of all sinners in the world then there is no reason for any sinner to have to die for or in his own sins.
  • James - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    Robert,

    Matthew 12:40 says " For as Jonas was three days and three nights In the whale's belly so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"

    That comes to a full 72 hours not 36. Not sure I your math was off accidentally or purposefully.

    For all this business of a person having to know that Christ did do this and all the suffering that he went through is a bit heavy. Yes a person needs to know that Jesus bore his/her sins on the cross, died and was buried, then on the third day he rose conquering death and hell. But the simple fact is that it isn't required to know this.

    John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life"

    Jesus hasn't been to the cross and here he is telling Nicodemus how to be saved...without the knowledge of what Jesus will go through.

    Take Phillip and the eunuch in Acts 8:26-40. Yes the eunuch was reading in Isaiah 53:7 concerning the prophecy of Christ having to endure the suffering and death of the cross but when the eunuch saw water he asked. "See here is water. what doth hinder me to be baptized? and Phillip said, if thou believest with all think heart thou mayest. And he answered and said I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Acts 8:36-37

    Acts 16:23-34 tells of the time Paul and Silas we're in Philippi, arrested and beaten with whips and thrown into prison with the jailer given orders to keep them safely. We learn that en earthquake cames and broke the foundation of the prison, with the doors opened and their bands loosed. The jailer came out and thinking his prisoners escaped was about to kill himself. Paul cries out for him to not do so.

    Bringing us to verse 30, "And brought them out and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

    And they said, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and they house."

    That's just 2 passages showing the simplicity of salvation.
  • Robert E. Krotzer - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    Just as I said, you are ignorant of the Gospel in the King James Bible that is: "Christ Jesus took our place in hell." He said he would be in the heart of the earth ( Matt. 12:40) and greatly feared going there, praying in agony, and sweating blood, not to go there ( Luke 22:42-44). The wicked dead are only in hell. "He made his grave with the wicked" Isaiah 53:9-10 where "his SOUL was made an offering for sin" and Jesus would "be the FIRST that should rise from the DEAD" as Acts 26:23 tells you and "His soul was not left in hell." Acts 2:31 clearly tells you. Jesus did what no man can do; anyone can die on a cross, and anyone can go into hell, but only Jesus came out of hell after 36 hours which no other soul has done. God raise Jesus from the DEAD and unless you believe THAT you cannot be saved. Without someone taking your place in hell you will go there. This is Christianity 101; Why do you not know this? You believe the strong delusional lie that denies that Jesus suffered in hell which saves no one! God made the Gospel so simple; just know that "Christ Jesus took your place in hell" and you HAVE Eternal Life! Where is your brain?
  • Grae - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    Hell is the grave , being dead permanently is hell . Ceasing to exist . Psalm 16 , especially V 9+10 .
  • ELB - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    Robert:

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And WHEN all thing SHALL BE subdued to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be subject to HIM (the Father) that put all things under him, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

    Meditate on this verse:

    Can man be in hell and these WORDS OF GOD BE TRUE?

    Man can be IN THE GRAVE; until he is raised up and brought to truth.

    The wages of sin is DEATH.

    God Bless You!
  • Robert E. Krotzer on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    The strong delusion that is the lie in 2 Thess. 2:11 is called: "The finished work of Christ on the cross" which cancels and denies the fact that "Christ Jesus took our place in hell." Preaching a lie saves no one; God hates liars! We are dipped in water in likeness of Jesus who God dipped in hell as Rom.6:3-5 tells. God cut his 3 days and 3 nights horrific suffering there in half to 36 hrs. (3 pm Fri. to 3 am Sun.) If you do not know that someone took your place in hell you will go there!
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - 2 years ago
    Precious friends, 'Which' Day are we, The Body Of CHRIST 'To look, watch, and wait for'?

    Please prayerfully/Carefully Consider, for Encouragement and Comfort ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

    The Day Of CHRIST:

    "Mystery" CHURCH: Designated as the "Heavenly" Day of CHRIST, Which Will Be The Day Of the consummation of our salvation (into glorification!), And, Presenting of our "rewards!" (Phi 1:6; Phi 1:10; Philippians 1:6,10, Phi 2:16; 1 Corinthians 1:8, 1 Co 3:8-15; 2 Corinthians 1:14).

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Day Of The LORD:

    Israel's KINGDOM: Designated as the "Earthly" Day Of The LORD, which will be, first

    of all, a day of Judgment to be followed by the establishment of the Kingdom!

    ( Isaiah 13:9-16, Isa 24:21-23, Isa 26:20-21, Isaiah 34:1-35:10; Isa 34; Isa 35:1-10; Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15, Joe 2:1-11, Joel 2:1-11; Amos 5:16-20; Obadiah 1:15-21; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Zephaniah 14:1-21; Malachi 4:1-6; Matthew 25:31-46; Acts 2:19-21)

    Portion of C.R. Stam Article: Link

    or:

    (Full Article: "The Day of the Lord -- What Is It?" - by Pastor Cornelius R. Stam)

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)
  • Glenn - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    The falling away, simply means people have fallen in to the deception of the anti- Christ ,.. an that will certainly be one of his messages, " I've come to rapture you away " !!! So yes , being careful is so very correct,..
  • Jerry on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 2 years ago
    One must be very careful when it comes to the phrase until there be a falling away. Some make it clear that the lord will not return until there is a great rebellion while others teach the lord will not return until the rapture. Our view greatly influences our perspective on the rapture. Be careful children


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