Jason Padrick - are you still here reading? I am just reading your plea about being consumed with prayer and guilt.. and I hope that you are consoled in Jesus knowing that you are loved and protected by God.
I have been reading & sharing from your site for years, and never once created an account or even said thank you. Now that I created an account here, my stats are terrible! 0%...it's serves me right. today I'm saying thank you for your decades of public service. It is so easy to find things too. I mused to drag out my heavy Strongs or Vines.
I'm kind of an old fashion Christian that likes the "older" contemporary Christian music. This artist has a beautiful voice and can write these wonderful, uplifting lyrics to. It is very grievous that some popular artists, like Kelly Clarkson and Lauren Daigle support homosexuality so I can't possible listen to their music or else I'm supporting them. I grieve for them. God Bless :)
My name is Aaron Wolf I am saved and have been baptized. I pray to the Lord not very often I don't really often read my Bible and when I do both things I feel like I get further away. Does any body have any suggestions?
Hello Christians ! It's so good to be on here it had taken me a while to get permission but it's sorted and I'm very grateful . Sending all my brother's and sisters all over the earth my greetings and best wishes for us all to have a wonderful day in the love and mercy of our Lord Jesus . I hope that wherever you are that you are healthy and happy and strong in your faith . May God bless us all today and may He continue to watch over us all with merciful eyes . Speak again soon God willing .
if you're thinking only humanly, it's a very lonely ride just reading the King James Bible. but we're never alone . I'm back after having internet cut off from me by a very abusive person . I'm thankful for the grace of God.
I hope you all don't mind if I reply to all of you in this one discussion. I think that would be a little easier for me then answering each one one of you individually. I have decided to take 5 days and pray and study and do some fasting and open my heart to what God is saying about this issue because I NEED to know His truth. If I am wrong about full sanctification and the infilling of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues I WANT to know. Especially if my sin nature (the old man, which is what God calls it.
Ephesians 4: 22-23) is still a part of me and that I shouldn't be accepting faults as just habits that I need the Lord to help me overcome but as actual sins I need to ask forgiveness for.
It's late in the day now, so I'll begin tomorrow, which is Monday, and I'll go through to Friday and then send a reply to you Saturday, March 2nd. No matter what the Lord tells me at the end of the week, I'd like to leave it at that, as far as any more discussion goes on my part. Of course, any of you can reply and I will read them. Then maybe we can find something else to discusses. Please believe me, Adam, I am not being divisive, I am totally sincere. God Bless you all. Have a blessed week. MOMSAGE :)
Hi Chris: I didn't understand your first question so I can't answer it and I disagree that being sinless now make me revert back to a body like in the Garden of Eden but I don't want to go into that in this discussion.
I am sinless. As He instructs me to be because He says in His word for us to be perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect (Math. 5:48) and we are to be holy as He is holy. ( Leviticus 11: 44-45, Leviticus 19:2, Leviticus 20:7, 1 Peter 1: 15-16). People think these verses are just suggestions, or they don't count because they are in the OT. God's word from Genesis 1:1 to Rev. 12:22 all matter and tells us exactly how God wants us to live holy, righteous lives. I, of course, cannot be sinless as Jesus was because I was born into original sin and He wasn't. But when I was washed clean and made new by His divine blood, He rid me of the desire to sin. The devil tries to tempt me, but because I am without the nature to sin; the adamic nature, I have no desire to sin. I am also filled with the Holy Ghost, so I have all the weapons I need to resist him and as long as I keep these weapons, of prayer, reading and the study of His word, and fasting, new and at my side, I will be able to resist the temptation. It's when a christians gets lax or distracted or lazy that they can eventually fall back into sin. But if they want to make heaven they must do their first fruits (asking forgiveness for sin and asking that the desires for son be removed) again. These verses of perfection and holiness are exactly what God expects of us and He wouldn't tell us to be that way if He didn't make a way for us to be like this. I wasn't sinless until I gave my heart, soul and "old man" to Jesus. When I was saved, I not only prayed for my soul to be washed clean through His divine, forgiving blood, I also prayed and told the Lord that I didn't want to sin anymore and asked if He would take the desire to sin from me (the human nature I inherited from Adam.)
He answered my prayers and I was saved and sanctified and no longer a sinner, as long as I didn't go back into sin and backslide. I didn't have to "sin a little bit everyday" against my free will because I didn't want to sin in the first place."The old man" (human nature) was eradicated by the divine blood of Jesus. It was a wonderful time of joy.
Romans 6,
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The people in these verses are those who refuse to believe they are sinners in the first place, scoffers who don't believe in sin, don't think they need salvation because they don't believe they are sinners.
When Paul was writing this letter he expected the Roman church to read it from beginning to end, as a letter would be read, and to understand that, although the law needs to exist to show us what sin is, and that we can be tempted to break these laws and sin when we are tempted of satan, that as christians, God expected the church to live sinless because God forbade them to believe they could sin under Grace.
For those who may wish to respond to this discussion, I welcome the replies, however, please discuss the sinning/christian doctrine with scriptures and Godly common sense. Please show me where I am wrong with the scriptures I have used by telling me why the interpretation I have given is incorrect. Not simply by your opinion, but by other scriptures. What God says not man. God Bless :)
Yesterday I came across a YouTube video of Joyce Meyer who appears to be a Christian female pastor.
Most all Christians I see on TV come across as false teachers and this is troubling. Nearly all seem to be obsessed with money and power and are crafty and deceptive in their words. The following verse comes to mind:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15 KJV
What I don't understand is how they come to this prominent position in the first place. Does God let them attain this and why?
Did they start out with good intentions then become corrupted, or have they always been wolves in sheep's clothing?
Hi GiGi: In this quote from your reply to me you have hit the nail right on the head with what you said at the very end which I highlighted.
"Good afternoon, Momsage, I am one who thinks that faults and propensities in our personalities and character can be considered sinful. If one has a quick temper, is easily provoked, unwilling to forgive offenses, is self-seeking, envies, prideful, thinks evil thoughts, or any number of "faults' or "weaknesses" one is sinning with these faults/weaknesses when we give in and let them be expressed." What you have listed, despite what you believe, are not faults, they are sins. The American Heritage Dictionary defines fault/weakness (these are the same thing) as minor character flaws. There is nothing minor about sin. Do you think the wages God promised us if we are sinning don't count because you believe in the sinning/christian doctrine: that you can't help behaving this way because of your human nature?
This is so wrong and dangerous. You assume that I am just as guilty of the sins you listed because you are. I am not. There is no sin in my life or on my soul and that isn't bragging, it's a testimony to the wonderful power of Jesus' divine blood that washed away my sins, sanctified me (killed the old man, human nature) and the keeping power of the Holy Spirit.
I heard the truth of Jesus Christ and His wonderful salvation in 1970. I sincerely believed in it and repented and gave my heart to Him completely and I became a true believer. Since that time, I did backslide, but God kept after me, took me back after I did my first fruits over again and now my life is totally dedicated to Him and I live without sin because I don't want to sin and don't believe "I have to sin a little bit every day." This belief makes no sense, it is an oxymoron: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words. Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
How sad that you and others who believe the precious, divine blood and the incredible power of the Holy Spirit is not good enough to overcome your human nature, that you have to struggle every day with sin, I perceive you are not talking about the temptation to sin or you wouldn't be calling yourself a sinner.
The whole reason you are still struggling with these sins is because you don't believe you can get them completely, totally out of your life. You can, if you believe in the sanctifying blood of Jesus and the strength of the Holy Spirit. We are also sanctified so that our human nature to sin is under the blood and it is eradicated. It has no more power over us as long as we give over to God during temptation and have faith that in Him that we will be able to overcome the temptation so we don't HAVE to sin, not so we CAN sin with impunity because we "can't" help it. This is so wrong. Why wouldn't you want to stop struggling with these sins and eradicate them form your life completely?
Here are some scriptures that tell this truth to us by God Himself:
Ephesians 4:22
"If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye PUT OFF concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye PUT ON THE NEW MAN, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (emphasis' are mine)
Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Romans 6: 12-14
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts.
We all sin and this digs deep in your soul and let’s GOD know just how sorry you are and begs for mercy and asks to be forgiven while taking responsibility
I believe in the trinity doctrine, and believe it is vital in understand much of scripture.
However, no doctrine should cause you to hate your Brothern. I have not seen hatred towards non trinity believers on this site.
However, hating a false doctrine is another or thing.
There is doctrine like the trinity that causes division and to be truthful I have seen more people being chased down that hold the view than those that don't hold it.
If NOT holding the trinity view is not a salvation issue, then HOLDING the trinity view is also NOT a salvation issue.
Has either of the views consumed you?
Are you treating people the way you are asking to be treated?
If one feels discussing it is pushing it, and you engage in it by support from afar, or directly, are not you also guilty of pushing it?
Have we been moved off our purpose and as a body what we have been called to do?
Why don't we display the same energy when calling out sin such as abortion, same sex marriage, Partiality, "inside and outside the Church"?
What light is being displayed debating translations but yet refuse to spend your time with whatever translation you use to display the Gospel as it is put on the back burner.
We seem to spend a lot of time desiring vain glory, back slapping and display and at times shunning rather than edifying.
Ephesians 2:10 says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Are we doing that?
There is plenty of scripture to use to examine ourselves and there is certainly one word that we should all have for one another and that is Love.
Israel is counted among the nations that have come under the rod of the king of Babylon. As we shall see judgment beginning here leads us to the vision of Dry Bones(Ez.37). Judgment on Egypt and its auxiliaries lead to this, 'And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height (32:5)" From Ch.37 onwards Ezekiel eloquently raises the banner of God's Mercy and takes us to the Vision of living Waters,' a river that could not be passed over(47:5)'.It ties up the Vision of John in the City of God (Re.22:1).
"Nations"
In divine Will the nation of Israel stood in relation to Amorites and many other nations. God considered Abraham as His friend so he revealed why the Promised Land is denied to him. "For the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." His Sovereign Will saw all men and nations as one so His mercy and judgment would demand Israel wait its turn while he judged Egypt before Israel was led forth to the land of promise. (Ge.15:16).
So chain of events bringing each player into prominence or move them aside was according to his Salvation Plan. Success of individuals was however dependent on their implicit trust in God.
"Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit(v.18).
'The daughters of the famous nations - i:e., the nations with their peoples. Egypt is to share the fate of other ancient nations 'Elam and all her multitude', Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude, Edom and Zidon were once prosperous and famous, now in decline. From the expression given below, 'go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised' we can assume that law of Gradation places all nations,- people of the covenant by the heathen nation as one and worthy of judgment. (See under M-law of Gradation)
This we have from God who appointed his prophet Ezekiel has his ministry as he has for Isaiah and Jeremiah. "See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant (Je.1:10)" Not only rooting out but also planting are to be seen the back page. Gentiles and Israel shall be led to a Spiritual awakening that must however be on the ruin of worldly ambition and their vain strivings.
These nations were consigned 'unto the nether parts of the earth'. Compare with this verse, 'Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord(Obad.1:4).Judgment beginning with Egypt must be seen as one single arc connecting old world present and future so all ungodly nations being merely figment of the uncircumcised heart shall suffer the same fate.
You have enriched my life.
Wilma Lee Steele
West Virginia
Where Jesus once died for me.
and I asked, "Is this the place where hope abides?
And this He said to me:
"Beyond the Cross is a tomb that is empty
You won't find Me there anymore
And beyond the tomb is life ever-lasting
And hope forever more."
Then I sought reassurance and I went to the tomb
To the place where His body once laid
And I cried, "Lord, help me see.
Is there hope here for me?"
And this I heard Him say:
"Beyond the Cross is a tomb that is empty
You won't find Me there anymore
And beyond the tomb is life ever-lasting
And hope forever more and hope forever more." Evermore
lyrics by Carroll Roberson
(These lyrics are simple but beautiful.
I wish I could play the music too.)
Who made the mountains? Who made the trees
and Who made the rivers flow to the sea
and Who hung the moon in the starry sky?
Somebody bigger then you and I.
Who makes the flowers bloom in the spring
Who wrote the song for the robins to sing
and who sends the rain when the earth is dry?
Somebody bigger then you and I.
Who lights the way when the road is long
and keeps you company.
With love to guide you He walks beside you
just like He walks with me.
When you are weary, filled with despair
who gives you courage to go on from there
and who gives you faith that will never die.
Somebody bigger then you and I.
Who lights the way when the road is long
and keeps you company.
With love to guide you He walks beside you
just like He walks with me.
When you are weary, filled with despair,
Who gives you courage to go on from there
and who gives you faith that will never die?
Somebody bigger then you and I
Somebody bigger then you and I
Carroll Roberson
I'm kind of an old fashion Christian that likes the "older" contemporary Christian music. This artist has a beautiful voice and can write these wonderful, uplifting lyrics to. It is very grievous that some popular artists, like Kelly Clarkson and Lauren Daigle support homosexuality so I can't possible listen to their music or else I'm supporting them. I grieve for them. God Bless :)
I am so grateful for the folks that have worked so hard and continue to labor in providing this Good Work.
Thank you and may God Abundantly Bless You All !!
I hope you all don't mind if I reply to all of you in this one discussion. I think that would be a little easier for me then answering each one one of you individually. I have decided to take 5 days and pray and study and do some fasting and open my heart to what God is saying about this issue because I NEED to know His truth. If I am wrong about full sanctification and the infilling of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues I WANT to know. Especially if my sin nature (the old man, which is what God calls it.
Ephesians 4: 22-23) is still a part of me and that I shouldn't be accepting faults as just habits that I need the Lord to help me overcome but as actual sins I need to ask forgiveness for.
It's late in the day now, so I'll begin tomorrow, which is Monday, and I'll go through to Friday and then send a reply to you Saturday, March 2nd. No matter what the Lord tells me at the end of the week, I'd like to leave it at that, as far as any more discussion goes on my part. Of course, any of you can reply and I will read them. Then maybe we can find something else to discusses. Please believe me, Adam, I am not being divisive, I am totally sincere. God Bless you all. Have a blessed week. MOMSAGE :)
I certainly do want to avoid
leading someone wrong. God
forbid.
In chapter 12, verse 1, I am reading
we also are Those words speaks
to me as the time in which he was living.
I am sinless. As He instructs me to be because He says in His word for us to be perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect (Math. 5:48) and we are to be holy as He is holy. ( Leviticus 11: 44-45, Leviticus 19:2, Leviticus 20:7, 1 Peter 1: 15-16). People think these verses are just suggestions, or they don't count because they are in the OT. God's word from Genesis 1:1 to Rev. 12:22 all matter and tells us exactly how God wants us to live holy, righteous lives. I, of course, cannot be sinless as Jesus was because I was born into original sin and He wasn't. But when I was washed clean and made new by His divine blood, He rid me of the desire to sin. The devil tries to tempt me, but because I am without the nature to sin; the adamic nature, I have no desire to sin. I am also filled with the Holy Ghost, so I have all the weapons I need to resist him and as long as I keep these weapons, of prayer, reading and the study of His word, and fasting, new and at my side, I will be able to resist the temptation. It's when a christians gets lax or distracted or lazy that they can eventually fall back into sin. But if they want to make heaven they must do their first fruits (asking forgiveness for sin and asking that the desires for son be removed) again. These verses of perfection and holiness are exactly what God expects of us and He wouldn't tell us to be that way if He didn't make a way for us to be like this. I wasn't sinless until I gave my heart, soul and "old man" to Jesus. When I was saved, I not only prayed for my soul to be washed clean through His divine, forgiving blood, I also prayed and told the Lord that I didn't want to sin anymore and asked if He would take the desire to sin from me (the human nature I inherited from Adam.)
Romans 6,
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
The people in these verses are those who refuse to believe they are sinners in the first place, scoffers who don't believe in sin, don't think they need salvation because they don't believe they are sinners.
When Paul was writing this letter he expected the Roman church to read it from beginning to end, as a letter would be read, and to understand that, although the law needs to exist to show us what sin is, and that we can be tempted to break these laws and sin when we are tempted of satan, that as christians, God expected the church to live sinless because God forbade them to believe they could sin under Grace.
For those who may wish to respond to this discussion, I welcome the replies, however, please discuss the sinning/christian doctrine with scriptures and Godly common sense. Please show me where I am wrong with the scriptures I have used by telling me why the interpretation I have given is incorrect. Not simply by your opinion, but by other scriptures. What God says not man. God Bless :)
Most all Christians I see on TV come across as false teachers and this is troubling. Nearly all seem to be obsessed with money and power and are crafty and deceptive in their words. The following verse comes to mind:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matthew 7:15 KJV
What I don't understand is how they come to this prominent position in the first place. Does God let them attain this and why?
Did they start out with good intentions then become corrupted, or have they always been wolves in sheep's clothing?
God bless
Hi GiGi: In this quote from your reply to me you have hit the nail right on the head with what you said at the very end which I highlighted.
"Good afternoon, Momsage, I am one who thinks that faults and propensities in our personalities and character can be considered sinful. If one has a quick temper, is easily provoked, unwilling to forgive offenses, is self-seeking, envies, prideful, thinks evil thoughts, or any number of "faults' or "weaknesses" one is sinning with these faults/weaknesses when we give in and let them be expressed." What you have listed, despite what you believe, are not faults, they are sins. The American Heritage Dictionary defines fault/weakness (these are the same thing) as minor character flaws. There is nothing minor about sin. Do you think the wages God promised us if we are sinning don't count because you believe in the sinning/christian doctrine: that you can't help behaving this way because of your human nature?
This is so wrong and dangerous. You assume that I am just as guilty of the sins you listed because you are. I am not. There is no sin in my life or on my soul and that isn't bragging, it's a testimony to the wonderful power of Jesus' divine blood that washed away my sins, sanctified me (killed the old man, human nature) and the keeping power of the Holy Spirit.
I heard the truth of Jesus Christ and His wonderful salvation in 1970. I sincerely believed in it and repented and gave my heart to Him completely and I became a true believer. Since that time, I did backslide, but God kept after me, took me back after I did my first fruits over again and now my life is totally dedicated to Him and I live without sin because I don't want to sin and don't believe "I have to sin a little bit every day." This belief makes no sense, it is an oxymoron: a combination of contradictory or incongruous words. Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
How sad that you and others who believe the precious, divine blood and the incredible power of the Holy Spirit is not good enough to overcome your human nature, that you have to struggle every day with sin, I perceive you are not talking about the temptation to sin or you wouldn't be calling yourself a sinner.
The whole reason you are still struggling with these sins is because you don't believe you can get them completely, totally out of your life. You can, if you believe in the sanctifying blood of Jesus and the strength of the Holy Spirit. We are also sanctified so that our human nature to sin is under the blood and it is eradicated. It has no more power over us as long as we give over to God during temptation and have faith that in Him that we will be able to overcome the temptation so we don't HAVE to sin, not so we CAN sin with impunity because we "can't" help it. This is so wrong. Why wouldn't you want to stop struggling with these sins and eradicate them form your life completely?
Here are some scriptures that tell this truth to us by God Himself:
Ephesians 4:22
"If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye PUT OFF concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye PUT ON THE NEW MAN, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (emphasis' are mine)
Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Romans 6: 12-14
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts.
I believe in the trinity doctrine, and believe it is vital in understand much of scripture.
However, no doctrine should cause you to hate your Brothern. I have not seen hatred towards non trinity believers on this site.
However, hating a false doctrine is another or thing.
There is doctrine like the trinity that causes division and to be truthful I have seen more people being chased down that hold the view than those that don't hold it.
If NOT holding the trinity view is not a salvation issue, then HOLDING the trinity view is also NOT a salvation issue.
Has either of the views consumed you?
Are you treating people the way you are asking to be treated?
If one feels discussing it is pushing it, and you engage in it by support from afar, or directly, are not you also guilty of pushing it?
Have we been moved off our purpose and as a body what we have been called to do?
Why don't we display the same energy when calling out sin such as abortion, same sex marriage, Partiality, "inside and outside the Church"?
What light is being displayed debating translations but yet refuse to spend your time with whatever translation you use to display the Gospel as it is put on the back burner.
We seem to spend a lot of time desiring vain glory, back slapping and display and at times shunning rather than edifying.
Ephesians 2:10 says, "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Are we doing that?
There is plenty of scripture to use to examine ourselves and there is certainly one word that we should all have for one another and that is Love.
God bless.
Israel is counted among the nations that have come under the rod of the king of Babylon. As we shall see judgment beginning here leads us to the vision of Dry Bones(Ez.37). Judgment on Egypt and its auxiliaries lead to this, 'And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height (32:5)" From Ch.37 onwards Ezekiel eloquently raises the banner of God's Mercy and takes us to the Vision of living Waters,' a river that could not be passed over(47:5)'.It ties up the Vision of John in the City of God (Re.22:1).
"Nations"
In divine Will the nation of Israel stood in relation to Amorites and many other nations. God considered Abraham as His friend so he revealed why the Promised Land is denied to him. "For the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." His Sovereign Will saw all men and nations as one so His mercy and judgment would demand Israel wait its turn while he judged Egypt before Israel was led forth to the land of promise. (Ge.15:16).
So chain of events bringing each player into prominence or move them aside was according to his Salvation Plan. Success of individuals was however dependent on their implicit trust in God.
"Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit(v.18).
'The daughters of the famous nations - i:e., the nations with their peoples. Egypt is to share the fate of other ancient nations 'Elam and all her multitude', Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude, Edom and Zidon were once prosperous and famous, now in decline. From the expression given below, 'go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised' we can assume that law of Gradation places all nations,- people of the covenant by the heathen nation as one and worthy of judgment. (See under M-law of Gradation)
This we have from God who appointed his prophet Ezekiel has his ministry as he has for Isaiah and Jeremiah. "See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant (Je.1:10)" Not only rooting out but also planting are to be seen the back page. Gentiles and Israel shall be led to a Spiritual awakening that must however be on the ruin of worldly ambition and their vain strivings.
These nations were consigned 'unto the nether parts of the earth'. Compare with this verse, 'Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord(Obad.1:4).Judgment beginning with Egypt must be seen as one single arc connecting old world present and future so all ungodly nations being merely figment of the uncircumcised heart shall suffer the same fate.