Where is Heaven ? Is it the kingdom that Christ established at His resurrection?
Is it the heavens that we will arrive in someday? Can we experience the heavenly now?
Paul calls us Saints, imagine what it is to be a Saint. Holy, . blessed children in the here and now! This is something to see and yet we can celebrate heaven in the here and now! If you are Saint you are a blessed child of God ,"Which is come unto you" . We can receive these things and realize the joy that living in the Spirit brings unto the Saints. Growing into the things that belong to those who Love Him!
Amen GiGi. The question that should be asked is: 'how much do we allow the Holy Spirit to have of us, so as to direct our lives?' We know that the Spirit of God yearns that we be conformed to Christ's Image ( Romans 8:29); yet our flesh continually desires conformation to the world ( Romans 12:2). The more of the 'world' that drops off, the road before us towards maturity (perfection) becomes more visible & desirable - though the end of it can only be Heaven when all traces of the world & sin are removed.
As the apostle wrote, "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit" ( Galatians 5:24,25). And it's only by the Power of the Spirit in us can our flesh be crucified, and only by the Life of the Spirit in us can we truly walk in the Spirit, desiring only to please our Lord God & His Son. Those who so walk, can be confident that "an entrance shall be ministered unto (them) abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." ( 2 Peter 1:11).
It is good that we agree on this, as I do not know Greek. I wasn't quite sure if I had learned it correctly and you have confirmed it for me.
Paul said that he who began a good work in us is faithful to complete it. ( Philippians 1:6) So our completeness comes from the working of God in our lives and in us by the Holy Spirit. Paul also says that he desires for us to grow up into the full measure of Christ. ( Ephesians 4:13).
These verses seem to imply this same view of being made complete, having progressed from conversion to maturity and, ultimately, readiness for heaven. I think that it is not so much a matter of our effort (though we do need to make choices to obey) but of being open, willing, and desirous of how the Spirit wills to work in us to bring us towards completeness.
On another angle, this makes me think that this perfection/completeness may be referring to God's plan coming to fullness, perfection, fruition, and, as you say, His foreordained end to His plan for creation, in us one by one, and in the whole church over the ages. There is a culmination of all things to come. That will be glorious.
That's quite correct, GiGi. The Greek word for 'perfect' is 'teleios', which essentially means 'having reached its end' (or, made complete, and by extension, 'matured or perfected'). And such was the burden on Paul, that he fulfil his calling & ministry to not only bring folk to Christ but that they would also reflect lives that exhibit Christ in them. And this he did by 'teaching them & warning them' that they would grow in faith & grace to the point of real spiritual maturity.
As Paul wrote to Titus in Titus 2:12,13, "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." We could see these verses as the fruit of Christian spiritual maturity, which Paul pointed believers to & hoped to see, & also urged Titus to pursue for his congregations.
I have heard that this word "perfect" means "complete" rather than flawless. But even this rendering does not really explain what Paul is meaning by this phrase. Perhaps he is talking about being sure that those who respond to the Gospel with belief have been matured in faith by sound teaching and/or ensuring that those who respond the Gospel with belief truly understand the salvation they now possess. Or perhaps he is talking about these people having faith that endures to the the end of their lives so that they will stand before God with the righteousness of Jesus and no merit of themselves.
I hope that someone else will respond with a better explanation than I give here.
In Colossians 1: verse 28, what is Paul stressing with "that we present every man perfect in Christ Jesus." Knowing that man, even with the gospel and the Spirit of the Lord within, does not remain perfect. Thank you!
I am Alpha and omega the beginning and the ending said the Lord which is and which was and which is to come the Almighty look up the all mighty in the greek Amen
Patricia Davis Mckanney on Colossians 1 - 1 year ago
How do we as God's children be made while ( touch the hem of garment) In the natural...Me and my husband we choose to be heal from all manner of sickness and diseases Things started to happen in our life when we came to Christ whole heartly
I agree that the Holy Spirit is our witness to Scripture and He will guide us in our study. But I do not agree that a person does not need anyone else for Scripture says that the Holy Spirit appoints some as teachers in the body of Christ and that we are to teach one another. We are a body, we are a corporate entity, not singularly in Christ, but all believers are in Christ and are together His body. So we should remain open to learn from one another and to share our ideas about our study of Scriptures with others.
Proverbs 11:14
"Where there is no counsel, the people fall; But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
Colossians 1:28
"Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ."
But there are times, also, when a person will learn straight from the Spirit. Even then every person is exhorted to not quench the Spirit...and to test all things, hold fast what is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
1 John 4 "Be:1loved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God...."
We all need to be yielded to the Holy Spirit, we need Him to shape our mind and understanding. We need each other, we should avoid being solitary in our day to day walk with God. We should make an effort to fellowship with others in a variety of ways and for various purposes. Studying God's Word is one of those things and purposes we should seek to do in fellowship with other believers.
YASSS Sylvia! You are blessed and chosen by The Lord. His Spirit dwells within you. He is who will teach you. You shall have no need for anyone else. You are called, AMEN.
Col. 1. I am amazed that the Lord revealed to me in a last minute request of the Pastor for me to teach a Bible study, and having chosen this passage, He (God) gave me understanding beyond my scholastic abilities to explain to the people ( the identical) exactly what is broken down in the last paragraph on this breakdown above. Holy Spirit is TRULY a wonderful teacher on whom we can depend when we need to have an interpreter. Praise be to God on high. Hands lifted up!! :-)
Jesse it is also interesting that in context it is talking about those who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit, thereby they will obtain God will.
I've always interpreted that verse that way, but never knew Agathos was in there for the greek as good, boy is that needed to go with the (ALL)!! Otherwise it one can take it the other way.
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
"All means anything I want' God will work it out." (INCORRECT.)
"And we know that (ALL) things work together for (SPIRITUAL GOOD) to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
(God's Will.) Might not be what you wanted or expected, but it's the best thing for you!
I don't think there's a verse that says those in Christ Jesus. You might be looking for Romans 8:28 which says, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
The word good in this verse is the word AGATHOS which means spiritual good. Human good is Kalos. Spiritual good is Agathos. That makes a big difference because if I'm looking at it religiously, humanly, and on a horizontal physical plain, when it says "all things work together for good," that means in the human, God's going to work things out good for me in the human and in the flesh.
But in this verse, it is the word for spiritual good. Also, notice that it doesn't say all things are good. It says that all things are going to be worked out for the good.
What's good and bad in the human, that's our judgment system. To God, everything is good because He's doing everything. And when we have things "go wrong," in God's vocabulary, that's not even in there. "Lord, things are going wrong." To Him, everything is going right.
We know that all things work together for good, and look at the two descriptions of the people for whom everything is working out for the good. It is to those who love God, and to those who are called according to His purpose.
Why? Because everything's going to work out according to the will of God, so that when I do pray for the Lord's will to be done, I can know because this is a promise right from God that all things work together for the good.
Hi Bob , have you ever heard the saying "banging your head against a brick wall " I tried for a while but gave up quite quickly , people will believe what they want to believe , there are a few of us on here who know what you are talking about but we learned to keep our mouths shut , after all the majority is usually in the right are they not ?
Brother Bob, my CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Your comment: All that Jesus received was from the Father. That makes him the Son of God.
MORE TRUTH: Everything You receive is from the Father. That makes you a son of God.
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what has thou that thou didst not receive? and if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hast not received it?
We shall see this God of creation for we humans comes forth; things in the beginning made; Jehovah, many knows/we will get to see him..read the KJV bible....except him/follow his words, were guilty get right, were not stay from found guilty/punished, fire, fire/brimstones awaits...Isa53:1kjv..
What is meant by the daily sacrifice in the book of Daniel 11? What will be taken away in the figtree generation? Do you think the peace treaty signed last Sept 2020 is significant biblically? thank you
Where is Heaven ? Is it the kingdom that Christ established at His resurrection?
Is it the heavens that we will arrive in someday? Can we experience the heavenly now?
Paul calls us Saints, imagine what it is to be a Saint. Holy, . blessed children in the here and now! This is something to see and yet we can celebrate heaven in the here and now! If you are Saint you are a blessed child of God ,"Which is come unto you" . We can receive these things and realize the joy that living in the Spirit brings unto the Saints. Growing into the things that belong to those who Love Him!
Repent and be Baptized
This completion is by the Spirit dwelling in us.
Hebrews 11:39-40. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
The law couldn't make one perfect.
Hebrews 7:19.
I believe Christ fulfilling the law, his righteousness imputed to us and the baptism of the Holyspirit is the consummation of all things.
God bless.
As the apostle wrote, "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit" ( Galatians 5:24,25). And it's only by the Power of the Spirit in us can our flesh be crucified, and only by the Life of the Spirit in us can we truly walk in the Spirit, desiring only to please our Lord God & His Son. Those who so walk, can be confident that "an entrance shall be ministered unto (them) abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." ( 2 Peter 1:11).
It is good that we agree on this, as I do not know Greek. I wasn't quite sure if I had learned it correctly and you have confirmed it for me.
Paul said that he who began a good work in us is faithful to complete it. ( Philippians 1:6) So our completeness comes from the working of God in our lives and in us by the Holy Spirit. Paul also says that he desires for us to grow up into the full measure of Christ. ( Ephesians 4:13).
These verses seem to imply this same view of being made complete, having progressed from conversion to maturity and, ultimately, readiness for heaven. I think that it is not so much a matter of our effort (though we do need to make choices to obey) but of being open, willing, and desirous of how the Spirit wills to work in us to bring us towards completeness.
On another angle, this makes me think that this perfection/completeness may be referring to God's plan coming to fullness, perfection, fruition, and, as you say, His foreordained end to His plan for creation, in us one by one, and in the whole church over the ages. There is a culmination of all things to come. That will be glorious.
As Paul wrote to Titus in Titus 2:12,13, "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." We could see these verses as the fruit of Christian spiritual maturity, which Paul pointed believers to & hoped to see, & also urged Titus to pursue for his congregations.
I have heard that this word "perfect" means "complete" rather than flawless. But even this rendering does not really explain what Paul is meaning by this phrase. Perhaps he is talking about being sure that those who respond to the Gospel with belief have been matured in faith by sound teaching and/or ensuring that those who respond the Gospel with belief truly understand the salvation they now possess. Or perhaps he is talking about these people having faith that endures to the the end of their lives so that they will stand before God with the righteousness of Jesus and no merit of themselves.
I hope that someone else will respond with a better explanation than I give here.
Greek:
Transliteration: pantokratr
Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore
Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.
KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).
Occurs: 10
In verses: 10
Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY.
God bless.
Deuteronomy 32:39, 2Kings 20:5,
2Chronicles 7:14,
Hopefully these are helpful
I agree that the Holy Spirit is our witness to Scripture and He will guide us in our study. But I do not agree that a person does not need anyone else for Scripture says that the Holy Spirit appoints some as teachers in the body of Christ and that we are to teach one another. We are a body, we are a corporate entity, not singularly in Christ, but all believers are in Christ and are together His body. So we should remain open to learn from one another and to share our ideas about our study of Scriptures with others.
Proverbs 11:14
"Where there is no counsel, the people fall; But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
Colossians 1:28
"Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ."
But there are times, also, when a person will learn straight from the Spirit. Even then every person is exhorted to not quench the Spirit...and to test all things, hold fast what is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
1 John 4 "Be:1loved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God...."
We all need to be yielded to the Holy Spirit, we need Him to shape our mind and understanding. We need each other, we should avoid being solitary in our day to day walk with God. We should make an effort to fellowship with others in a variety of ways and for various purposes. Studying God's Word is one of those things and purposes we should seek to do in fellowship with other believers.
I've always interpreted that verse that way, but never knew Agathos was in there for the greek as good, boy is that needed to go with the (ALL)!! Otherwise it one can take it the other way.
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
"All means anything I want' God will work it out." (INCORRECT.)
"And we know that (ALL) things work together for (SPIRITUAL GOOD) to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
(God's Will.) Might not be what you wanted or expected, but it's the best thing for you!
Thanks and God bless.
I don't think there's a verse that says those in Christ Jesus. You might be looking for Romans 8:28 which says, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
The word good in this verse is the word AGATHOS which means spiritual good. Human good is Kalos. Spiritual good is Agathos. That makes a big difference because if I'm looking at it religiously, humanly, and on a horizontal physical plain, when it says "all things work together for good," that means in the human, God's going to work things out good for me in the human and in the flesh.
But in this verse, it is the word for spiritual good. Also, notice that it doesn't say all things are good. It says that all things are going to be worked out for the good.
What's good and bad in the human, that's our judgment system. To God, everything is good because He's doing everything. And when we have things "go wrong," in God's vocabulary, that's not even in there. "Lord, things are going wrong." To Him, everything is going right.
We know that all things work together for good, and look at the two descriptions of the people for whom everything is working out for the good. It is to those who love God, and to those who are called according to His purpose.
Why? Because everything's going to work out according to the will of God, so that when I do pray for the Lord's will to be done, I can know because this is a promise right from God that all things work together for the good.
What an amazing revelation: in Christ, I receive everything from the hand of God.... nothing from the hand of man.... This is freedom.
If you asked God who is Jesus what would he say ?
The answer is found in Matthew 17 v 5
" This is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased ; hear him .
I have yet met a man that even thinks he knows more than God . Case is closed .
Your comment: All that Jesus received was from the Father. That makes him the Son of God.
MORE TRUTH: Everything You receive is from the Father. That makes you a son of God.
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what has thou that thou didst not receive? and if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hast not received it?
TRUTH will set you free!
This question has struck me due to being a student and caught up in the matter of arguments on the topic.
So please help me out, I'm in desperate need of assistance with this topic!
Kind Regards,
Samuel of Bethlehem