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  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Just on this matter about 'Jesus being a creation of God', Brad. We see a couple of phrases used in the Bible: 'firstborn' and 'only begotten'.

    'Firstborn' (Gk. prototokos, first to give birth to, firstborn) as seen in Romans 8:29, "the firstborn among many brethren", where Paul applies the meaning to Jesus being the first to bring humanity & divinity into one (i.e. Jesus the Word (God) united with humanity (flesh); and to us who are saved (i.e. humanity (flesh) united with the Spirit (God)).

    And also in Colossians 1:15, "the firstborn of every creature", referring to Christ's highest rank & full rights bestowed upon Him by the Father over all creation; & that creation came into being by His Word Jesus & through Him, being held together by the Word of His Power (vv16,17 & Hebrews 1:3).

    'Only begotten' (Gk. monogenes, unique, one of a kind) as seen in John 3:16, Hebrews 5:5, 1 John 4:9, etc. Could we say that Jesus was a created Being by God, as one would describe a creation of a baby in the womb or a potter creating a vessel from a lump of clay? The use of 'monogenes' strongly suggests that Jesus wasn't created, simply because He already existed within God's Person as the Word of God. But God did something not done before - a unique birth: that which always existed came into the World in another form - Mary's womb was merely the delivery point for prophecy's fulfilment & for Jesus' identification with His people. God could just as well have zapped His Word into flesh & onto Earth, but God had His Own special Plan.

    One could use the word 'created' in this respect as you've done, but that might then bring on the thought that Jesus was a created Being without an eternal existence. I feel 'monogenes' satisfies the uniqueness of Jesus' pre- & post-incarnation Presence.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Ronald. If I might add my understanding to some of the Scriptural references you gave.

    Revelation 3:14: "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God." The Greek for 'beginning' is 'arche', as we add that prefix to the words such as 'arch-enemy, arch-bishop, arch-rival. It certainly has the primary meaning of a 'beginning or first in line', but it clearly denotes 'one who holds the primary highest position/control over others'. That being the case, if Jesus first appeared as the creation by God in the womb of Mary, it could never be said that He was the beginning/first in line to all of God's Creation, which happened several millennia prior. But Jesus was there because He was involved in the creative Work ( John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2).

    Colossians 1:15: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." I understand that 'firstborn' indicated here, refers to the 'rights & privileges' of the firstborn child (e.g. 2 Chronicles 21:3). All God's creation have received His Love & Care, but at the birth of His Son into humanity, Jesus, as the Son, was the first(born) to gain/inherit His Father's full estate, as well as enjoying "the fullness of God in Himself" ( Colossians 1:19). But the full riches of God to humanity could only be realized by those placing their trust in the Forerunner & Shepherd of their faith, Jesus Christ.

    John 17:5: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." What was His Glory? We can assume all of God's Glory, for He is the Word of/from God, but even if that wasn't the case, Jesus, as the Word of God, had that Glory even before creation of the worlds.

    You stated, "I honor the Son for what He gave up." If Jesus (the Word) didn't exist from eternity within the Person of God, & was only created from the womb of Mary, I wonder what He had to give up? Your responses have been very interesting.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Matthew 24 - 1 year ago
    Hello David:

    Yes I understood the same way you do. I just wanted to ensure that we saved as many people on this site. That is why it is important to take time to explain based on the Bible. The Book of Acts is a transitional book. Luke did a magnificent job inspired by God writing the chain of events after Jesus Christ died on the cross. Peter and the rest of the Apostles concentrated on preaching to the Jews, but when they have rejected it three times Paul went to the Gentiles. But Jews and Gentiles today can be saved by the mystery of the Gospel of Paul 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We are saved by grace through faith. We are baptized by trusting on Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection meaning trusting on the blood of Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus already went to the most Holiest of Holy to sprinkle His own blood as the Jews did on earth. So anybody today can be saved by that blood. Once you are saved, the mysteries are revealed by the Holy Spirit. We are the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, knowing Christ in you.

    Romans 16:25; Galatians 1:9-12; Galatians 2:1-14; Acts 15:11; Roman's 2:16; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 1Peter 1:18-20;

    1Corinthians 4:1

    Colossians 1:18; Colossians 1:24-27; Ephesians 1:13; Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 4:30; 1 Corinthians 3:16 and many more I can share. So knowing we are saved, we know the mystery of the rapture. 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    Romans 9:1; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Galatians 1:20; 1 Timothy 2:7

    Revelation 3:3. We are watching and praying with thanksgiving.

    We are on the last days and we want all to be saved. We are here on earth to fulfill God's purpose - To trust God and to do God's will. Nothing of anything good we do. Rejoice evermore! I am so happy to communicate with you David. Have a blessed weekend.
  • OLD MAN WILSON - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sister Suze:

    When our body of flesh and blood DIES, do you believe we are instantly in the presence of God with the same glorified body that Christ has.

    We don't have to wait for the second resurrection, we are the (first) resurrection INTO Christ.

    2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the LIFE also of JESUS might be made manifest in OUR BODY.

    2 Corinthians 4:11 For WE WHICH LIVE (being raised INTO Christ) are always delivered unto DEATH for Jesus' sake, that the LIFE OF JESUS might be made manifest in OUR MORTAL FLESH.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....CHRIST IN YOU......

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh (his life, we have no life, we are just CHRIST BODY) in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure (Christ is the LIFE in us)

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth IT (the new creation: the LIFE OF CHRIST) a body, and to every SEED HIS (the FATHER'S) own body (Christ is the BODY of the FATHER).

    1 Corinthians 15:28 ...And GOD (the Father, the ONLY LIFE THERE IS) will be ALL (LIFE) in ALL (BODIES).

    Ephesians 4:4 ONE Spirit (one life) ...ONE Body (man) ....

    Ephesians 4:5 ONE God and Father of ALL .....

    God BLESS YOU
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    You're correct Robert, Jesus was always referred to as the Son OF God, or the Son OF Man - and so He was & is. Yet, when we consider other Scriptures of how Jesus regarded His relationship to the Father, we are compelled to re-think our beliefs.

    Other Scriptures have been given on this thread, but I would emphasize only a few:

    John 17:5 - Jesus had God's Glory even before the worlds were created.

    Matthew 1:23 - Jesus' Name, Emmanuel, is "God with us".

    Colossians 1:15-17 - Jesus is God's Image; Jesus created all things; Jesus was before all things & He holds all things together.

    John 10:30 - Jesus' claimed equality with God, for this very reason the Jews wanted to stone Him.

    Just a few very compelling verses to show beyond doubt that this Jesus was not a mere created being for the world's salvation. He was the Essence of God (the Word of God made flesh) Who was declared as God coming in the flesh ( John 1:1-14).

    We would have to discount Jesus' former Glory in Heaven, His Name as, "God now with mankind", His creative & sustaining Work, and His Own claim of equality with the Father, to believe that Jesus was anything less than wholly Divine in Heaven & on Earth.

    It may be difficult for our fickle human minds to comprehend such concepts & Truths, but our weaknesses should not prohibit us from believing God's Word & the necessity for God Himself to pay to secure our salvation (this is His love demonstrated) - no other sacrifice would do - not even a special created human being or a specially prepared animal. If the people of His day understood it & the apostles & early Church believed it, then where & how did we go wrong by rejecting His Deity?
  • Robert Malit - In Reply - 1 year ago
    THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD = JESUS

    OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECY OF PROPET ISAIAH

    SHEDDING OF BLOOD FOR REMISSION OF SINS

    Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Isaiah 43:10 - Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

    Isaiah 43:11 - I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.

    Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

    NEW TESTAMENT - OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECY FULFILLED

    JESUS SHED BLOOD, DIED ON THE CROSS, RISEN FROM THE DEAD, ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN

    John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:2 - The same was in the beginning with God.

    John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.

    John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Colossians 1:15 - 22 - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Matthew 24 - 1 year ago
    Hello Mr. Adam Clark:

    First and foremost are you saved by the blood of the crucified Jesus Christ in whom we received all treasures and knowledge by acknowledging the mystery of God and of the Father, of Christ His Son (One God in three persons-The Trinity)? Colossians 1:27-28 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

    I just have noticed some contentions about this in some comments. We can talk about the end times but it is very important to ALL that they know 100% they are saved and that they are going to Heaven. Noticed even in the beginning God gave us the messages on the importance of the blood from Genesis to Revelation.

    The LORD God must have sacrificed blood, for it maybe a lamb to make coats of skins to clothed Adam and Eve. Genesis 3:21

    We also see the importance of blood sacrifices between Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:3 Understand the motive of Cain. He offered the fruit of the ground whereby Cain worked hard for it. Like saying to God "Look what I did". I say this because of v5. In v4 Abel was respected because of animal blood sacrificed. This story depicted not of what you do, God is interested in you acknowledging the blood which are examples of a type of what later Jesus Christ would do as our own lamb. Clearly here we are saved by the blood and not by works.

    Colossians 1:5; 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

    You can read in Leviticus that they have to kill a lamb over and over again in order to get forgiveness of sins. Now look at Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Your soul being forgiven through blood. Revelation1:5;5:9. Are you saved by the blood of Jesus Christ?
  • DAVID - In Reply on Romans 4 - 1 year ago
    Obeka In Gods eyes we are spiritually perfect the work is putting his word on in our minds Romans12:2 and then the three

    R'S of learning Colossians 1:13 receive, Thessalonians 3;10 Put the new man in the mind retain then Phil. 2:16 release or hold it forth.The battle is always words Gods thoughts His word like Phil.4:8+9 life giving or or the lies of the enemy. That's why the key to walking with God via the spirit is renewed mind daily based on Gods word. Our minds don't change over night that's the work and it never ends. The only man that ever lived on earth with a completely whole mind or sound mind is Jesus Christ.

    P.s. remember we were born into a corrput word and only had our 5 senses as information now we have holy spirit which is

    info from God which is always true. That's why I said the more you retain that's work the knowledge of God 2 Peter 1:1-8

    constantly says through the of God and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Acts 1 - 1 year ago
    Dear 17sharp:

    Stay with prayers and supplication and reading the Bible. A person who truly seek the truth will be guided by the Holy Spirit. Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

    Acts 20:28-32

    Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

    Revelation 18:4

    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Agape.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 20 - 1 year ago
    Hello, John chapter 1 explains and answers all these questions:

    John 1:14-15 reveals that Jesus is called the "Word."

    John 1:1 says "Word was with God, and the Word was God." this means that Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.

    John 1:3 says "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." This means that all things were made by Jesus, and without Jesus nothing was made.

    The common misunderstanding is that Jesus temporarily came to earth and while fully God, became fully man and appeared to allow Himself to be limited as a man. So, most people analyze His behavior as a temporary man and draw assumptions from it: like how can He pray to Himself? etc.

    John 1:9-10 - talks about Jesus, also called the "Light" coming to earth.

    Philippians 2:6-7 - to me this means that Jesus wasn't concerned about His power being lessor or limited as a temporary man.

    Luke 2:52 - Jesus put Himself in a position of a man to grow in wisdom and maturity.

    So, all of your quotes are while Jesus was in a temporary limited state as a man on earth.

    You wrote: "Inconceivable if he is God the Creator." It's not inconceivable because the Bible literally says Jesus created everything in John 1:3.

    If this isn't convincing enough there are more verses saying the same thing:

    Colossians 1:15-17

    Hebrews 1:2

    1 Corinthians 8:6

    Jesus literally created you!
  • OLD MAN WILSON - In Reply - 1 year ago
    One Eighty:

    God is Spirit, no beginning and no end, CANNOT be seen, touched, felt, etc.

    The Father wanted to be KNOWN, seen, touched, etc., available to the senses.

    The Father created a IMMORTAL BODY, and God (SPIRIT, LIFE) put HIMSELF in that Body, and he called that BODY the MAN JESUS CHRIST.

    Christ the Boby of God, the Father, no beginning no end, the First and the Last.

    Christ, THE BODY, can do nothing of itself, it's the FATHER in that BODY, that does everything.

    And The Father sent Jesus Christ THE MAN to MULTIPLY HIMSELF. The FIRSTBORN among many brethren.

    Bodies of men, THAT CAN DO NOTHING OF ITSELF, that exist, and does the work, of CHRIST, by that LIFE OF CHRIST. This was all made possible by the death of the flesh and blood body on the cross and the RESURRECTION of the flesh and bone (IMMORTAL) body of Christ.

    This is what WE ARE: BODIES that exist, and do the WORKS OF CHRIST; by the LIFE OF CHRIST.

    We were put in a body of flesh and bone; FIRST, so we could come to this KNOWLEDGE.

    Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY (man).....ONE SPIRIT (GOD)(LIFE) ...

    Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD .....FATHER OF ALL .....

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ...Christ in you (his body)

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that WORKETH both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    THY WILL BE DONE

    God Bless YOU.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Yes, we are essentially spirits. But to live on this Earth that God has given us & to enjoy its blessings, God has given us a body (both for visibility & for being human). John 1:1-14 tells us that the Word was with God & was God - that Word was made flesh (human). John chapter 1 speaks of Jesus, God's Word made flesh, to fulfil the Purposes of God for fallen humanity. There was no other reason for such an 'incarnation', for the Word & the Spirit are eternally part of the Godhead & each member functioned as purposed by God.

    God does not have a body. John 4:24, "God is Spirit". But God has manifested Himself in the flesh in Jesus, His Son incarnate. One disciple, Philip, asked Jesus, "shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us".

    Jesus answered him, " Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

    This does not mean that Jesus, in the flesh, looks the same as the Father, but Jesus' very works, His Life, & His Words, reveal the Person of God. So when we look at Jesus' Life, we are seeing the exact image of God, for how else can we describe the image of a spirit? Colossians 1:15: 'Jesus is the image of the invisible God'.

    We are all spirits (our true essence), clothed with a body. Once our bodies perish, our spirits, which can never die, are released to live on into eternity. Therefore, Jesus had to come to give His Life for us, so that if we believe in Him, calling upon His Name, the Father seals us as His & receives us into His family. If we refuse Him, only punishment remains. How we respond to God's Love in Jesus determines where our spirits will finally spend eternity.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Romans 15 - 1 year ago
    Hello Giannis:

    I agree with your first sentence. To add, Jesus said "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV. During Jesus Christ on earth He commanded His Disciples in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Had the Jews recognized their King..could of, would of, should of. But they killed their Messiah. Your second sentence is half correct. Jesus Christ had chosen Paul to be the twelfth apostle with a purpose to tell us Gentiles more detail what happened during his dispensation. The word dispensation can only be found 4X in Paul's epistles: 1 Corinthians 9:17

    For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

    Ephesians 3:2

    If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

    Colossians 1:25

    Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

    Ephesians 1:10

    That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    These verses proved to me that when Paul told us to "divide the word of truth" means that God speaks to different people in different times. Meaning Dispensation. Therefore, some verses of the Bible applies only to the Jews and only to Gentiles and some applies both to Jews and Gentiles in different times as "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:1 KJV. Paul is our Apostle today. His dispensation of Grace is critical for today's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Agape.
  • OLD MAN WILSON - In Reply on Susanna 1 - 1 year ago
    Amen Jackie:

    God uses parables, and symbolism through his word.

    We, through the working or the Holy Spirit, have to break down the symbolism to make all scriptures agree with themselves.

    Psalms 19:1 The heavens show his handy work ....

    John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....CHRIST IN YOU ....

    YOU and I (the heavens) show his handy work and glory

    Psalms 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, night unto night sheweth knowledge.

    Literal day cannot speak, nor literal night show knowledge.

    You and I speak, by the working of the Holy Spirit.

    Psalms 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue we shall prevail, our lips are our own, who is Lord over us.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU (this mystery, Christ in you) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Psalms 139:12 Yea the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

    Psalms 19:4 Their (speech and knowledge)(Christ in you) line have gone through out all the earth, and their word (Christ in you), in them (You and I) (Christ in you) he hath set a tabernacle (you are the temple of God 1 Corinthians 3:16) for the SUN (the Father).

    Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple there in: For the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the TEMPLE OF IT (Christ in you).

    Psalms 19:5 Which as a bridegroom cometh out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

    Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul (body, Christ in you) shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation (Christ in you), he hath covered (blood of Christ) me with the rob of righteousness (Christ in you), as a BRIDEGROOM decketh himself with ornaments (Christ in you), and as a BRIDE (You and I) adorneth herself WITH HER JEWELS (Christ in you).

    I'm out of characters I hope you see the picture.

    God bless you.
  • OLD MAN WILSON - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sister Barbara:

    Is she mixed up:

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ..... CHRIST IN YOU ....

    Christ CAME THE SECOND TIME at pentecost; in SPIRIT, as the Holy Ghost.

    Hebrews 9:28 So, Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many (first coming, as flesh), and unto them that look for him (as a thief in the night) he shall appear the SECOND TIME (unseen like a thief, as the Holy Ghost) without SIN UNTO SALVATION.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the life of the body) that WORKETH in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY (Christ in you) is he (the body of Christ) that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION ..

    John 11:25 ....I am THE RESURRECTION, and the LIFE, he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall HE LIVE.

    CHRIST IN YOU.

    1 John 2:27 The anointing (THE LIFE) in you ....... will teach you ALL THINGS .......

    Colossians 3:3 For ye are DEAD, and your LIFE is HID with Christ in God.

    Christ blood COVERS our sins, to REPENT means to change your way of thinking, or your beliefs.

    It takes lots of studying God's word and lots of repenting in the way, and things, we believe.

    God Bless you.
  • Old man Wilson - In Reply on Mark 1 - 1 year ago
    Ron:

    Psalms 78:2 I will open my (God the word's) mouth in a PARABLE

    The tree OF KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

    The fruit of that tree IS KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

    You are the garden of Eden; the tree of knowledge of good and evil is in you, and when you come to TRUTH, then you also come to THE KNOWLEDGE that the TREE OF LIFE is also IN YOU. BUT: Cherub with sword's of FIRE surround the TREE OF LIFE; so you are going to have to go through FIRE to partake of the fruit of the TREE OF LIFE.

    Ezekiel 31:9 I (the Father) have made him (Christ) fair by the multitude of his BRANCHES (you and I): so all the trees of Eden (you and I), that were in the garden of God (you and I), envied him (Christ).

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you .....

    Ezekiel 29:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD, they say of me, doth he not speak in PARABLES.

    God Bless You.
  • PROPHECY - 1 year ago
    GOD IS LIFE and LIFE IS GOD

    The BODY is only a vessel that holds THE LIFE OF GOD.

    When the body DIES (the wages of sin is death: Romans 6:23) it returns to the dust from whence it came.

    Ecclesiastes 3:20 ALL go unto one place; for all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

    Job 34:15 ALL FLESH shall perish together and man shall turn again into dust.

    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (LIFE) shall return unto God who gave it.

    Ephesians 4:4 ONE SPIRIT .....one LIFE

    1 Corinthians 15:38 For God giveth it (the new creation, YOU, Christ resurrected) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his (Christ's) own BODY.

    Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY ....

    HELL (Hades) is the grave, where men, the dust of the earth go.

    The NEW MAN goes to the presence of God, the Father. as the BODY of Christ resurrected.

    Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL .......

    Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he (the new creation) who hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Matthew 16:24 .....DENY YOURSELF ......

    Colossians 1:27 .....this mystery ......CHRIST IN YOU ..... you the body (of Christ).

    John 17:21 That they (new creation) may be ONE, as thou Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they (new creation) may be ONE IN US ....

    Revelation 12:2 And SHE (the church, Christ's bride) being with child (the new man) cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to BE DELIVERED.

    Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the death of this body of flesh) BE SAVED ....... DELIVERED.

    May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear.

    God BLESS.
  • Gods of this world - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 1 year ago
    Wina

    Satan walks upright on two legs today, the same as in the time of Adam and Eve.

    Who is the most subtil of all the beast of the field that God hath made, that walks on two legs?

    Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from walking to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it.

    2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.

    1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

    Ephesians 2:2 Wherein time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit that now worketh in the children of obedience:

    Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT (of you) devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world was CAST OUT ......

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you.

    God Bless You.
  • THE BODY OF CHRIST - 1 year ago
    SOUL AND BODY ARE THE SAME THING

    Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man out of the dust of the ground ....

    Man, as well as all creatures, is only a body.

    ....and breathed into them the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

    The soul, or body, has no life outside of the breath and life of God.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ in you ....

    John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, Receive the Holy Ghost.

    1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ .......

    John 14:6 ....I am the life .....

    God Bless You.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Elmer,

    Paul wrote two letters to Timothy who was pastoring the church in Ephesus. Timothy's name is mentioned 24 times in the New Testament. Timothy was from Lystra and he was saved during Paul's first missionary journey ( Acts 14:19-20; Acts 16:1-2)

    His mother Eunice, and his grandmother Lois, were godly Jewish women. In fact, Timothy was taught the Old Testament scriptures since he was a little boy. So he has a scriptural background. Timothy was about 15-years-old when he first met Paul. And when Paul writes his letter to Timothy, he's approximately 35. So he has spent approximately 20 years with Paul in ministry learning.

    Even though Timothy's mother and grandmother were godly Jewish women, his father was a pagan Greek. ( Acts 16:1; 2 Timothy 1:5). Timothy was raised hearing Old Testament Scriptures. ( 2 Timothy 3:14-15). He joined Paul, along with Silas and Luke, during second missionary trip. ( Acts 16:3).

    Paul had Timothy circumcised so that he might have the freedom to preach the gospel in Jewish synagogues. ( Acts 16:3; 1 Corinthians 9:20). He could not do that unless he was circumcised. Timothy was ordained by Paul and the Presbytery. ( 1 Timothy 4:14; 2 Timothy 1:6). He accompanies Paul on his third missionary trip. ( Acts 19:22; Acts 20:4; 2 Corinthians 1:1, 1:19).

    Timothy ministered in at least five churches as Paul's representative:

    1) Thessalonica ( 1 Thessalonians 3:2, 3:6)

    2) Corinth ( 1 Corinthians 4:17; 16:10; 2 Corinthians 1:19)

    3) Philippi ( Philippians 2:19-23)

    4) Berea ( Acts 17:14)

    5) Ephesus ( 1 Timothy 1:3)

    Timothy was with Paul during Paul's first imprisonment ( Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:1; Philemon 1:1) and went to Philippi after Paul's release. ( Philippians 2:19-23). Timothy was around 35-years of age when Paul wrote I Timothy. Timothy also suffered imprisonment. ( Hebrews 13:23).

    Hope this helps!
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    John,

    As Suze said, you will get opinions and some of these opinions have been passed down from many generations. Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in: earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Not sure what you are thinking spirit world? In scripture there are devils/demons on this earth that cannot be seen but can occupy mortal beings, people/animals, Matthew 8. There are angels that cannot be seen or can take on physical form and be seen and interact with humans, as in Hebrews 13:2 and more.

    If you are thinking human spirits, you must study with prayer and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Much of what is believed and taught is based on the human soul is immortal. Can that be found in the word of God?

    This soul immortality I guess goes back as far as the serpent in the garden. Many religions accept the soul is immortal, Socrates, then Plato, and then Augustine's theology became standard for the Church. The definition of death became the separation of the soul from the body. Or does immortality come at resurrection, 1 Corinthians 15:54?

    This is just a few things to inspire your study, my opinion is meaningless, let the word of God with the Holy Spirit be your teacher.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Douglas Borchard,

    This prophecy gives the precise time of the first coming of the Messiah. You will receive different understandings of this, it is a study that will take much time. this is just a little information you may use to help your study.

    Many put the last week of this prophecy at the end times. It is used for the 7 years of tribulation, a peace treaty with the antichrist (he in verse 27) for 3 1/2 years then 3 years of great tribulation with the taking of the church somewhere between (pre, mid, post).

    "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 weeks, 70 x 7 = 490 solar years or 483 prophetic years) on the house of Israel (Daniel's people) and the holy city (Jerusalem). It started from "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem", make a note, that the rebuilding of the temple is not in this prophecy.

    Here are a few verses that may help your study and if this prophecy has been fulfilled or not.

    1. To finish the transgression Isaiah 53:5, 8 Isaiah 53:11 Hebrews 9:15-18

    2. To make an end of sins Matthew 1:21 Hebrews 10:8-11 John 1:29 1 Corinthians 15:3

    1 John 3:5 Psalm 32 Romans 8:3

    3. To make reconciliation for iniquity Colossians 1:20-22 Isaiah 53:6 Isaiah 53:11 Ephesians 2:16 ( Titus 2:14 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

    4. To bring in everlasting righteousness Romans 5:17-21 Romans 3:21-26 1Peter 2:24

    2 Corinthians 5:21 Isaiah 61:10-11

    5. To seal up vision and prophecy Daniel 9:23 John 6:27 Mark 1:14-15 Acts 3:18

    John 5:36-40 Matthew 11:11-15

    6. To anoint the most holy Hebrews 8:1-12 Hebrews 9:6-14

    The six things that were determined on Daniel's people and the holy city in this 70-week prophecy; did the Messiah/Jesus fulfill?

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The word "Elohim" is the plural aspect of the Godhead. Since God is one; yet is in three forms (Father; Son and Holy Ghost) they were all involved in the Creation. This is why scripture states "let us create man in OUR image" ( Gen. 1:26); and later on states they know good and evil like us ( Gen. 3:22-loosely translated). Christ actually was the one who created all things ( Eph. 3:9); with God involved. Proverbs 8:22-31 seems to show wisdom personified by the Holy Spirit also presiding over things since before the beginning and in the Creation of the earth. (See also John 1:1). "Gods" may be the best way in human understanding to explain the Hebrew translation but it shouldn't imply that there is more than one true God despite 3 manifestations. Even that is imperfect but closer to explaining the mystery of the Godhead.

    In practical terms; when we see Christ at the crucifixion; it is clear that the universe itself ( Colossians 1:17) would have ceased to exist at his death if there weren't other members of the Godhead (not to mention that Christ would be praying to Himself).

    So the "Oneness" group is clearly offbase. We could say that God the Father came up with the plan of Creation; as well as the Crucifixion ( Isaiah 53:10) and Christ did the action. The Spirit is often in Proverbs personified as "Wisdom" crying out in the streets. It is seen in some sense as "hovering over the waters" ( Gen. 1:2).

    The important aspect here is that God in every form is Omnicient; Omnipresent and Omnipotent (All knowing; everywhere; and all powerful). He also will preside as this present world and it's elements are burned up ( 2 Peter 3:10). We can; mercifully rejoice that a new heaven and earth will be for us someday; according to Rev. 22. All the gods (small g) which are in reality representations of demons and or men's vain imaginations will be destroyed as well. God is the Creator; we are His Creation along with all angels and demons. Praise God.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother John:

    We are here to be brought to TRUTH.

    Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE BODY (man)......ONE SPIRIT (LIFE)(God) ......

    Man is the BODY (of God).

    God is LIFE, in HIS BODY (man).

    Amos 3:3 Can TWO (the LIFE and the BODY) walk TOGETHER without being AGREED?

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ......Christ in you ......

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    God Bless YOU, HIS BODY.
  • ELB - In Reply on Romans 8 - 2 years ago
    Brother Don:

    Man DOES NOT have free will.

    Man was made to be a BODY; or a vessel.

    Vessels, or bodies, have NO LIFE.

    Bodies, or vessels, were made to HOLD the LIFE of GOD.

    God is Spirit.

    Spirit cannot be seen.

    God created a BODY; Jesus Christ, that can be seen.

    The body of Christ HOLDS the Life of the FATHER.

    Christ came, as sinful flesh, and sinful flesh DIED on the cross, three days latter the Father resurrected, HIS (the father's) BODY, Christ.

    1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the light .....

    All mankind took part in that resurrection.

    At some point in time God's creation will become the IMAGE (the body) of Christ.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....Christ in you .....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    1 Corinthians 15:38 For God GIVETH IT (his creation) A BODY as it hath PLEASED HIM, and to every SEED HIS OWN BODY ( the Father's body Christ).

    HIS WILL, not man's free will, because man has NO LIFE outside of GOD, man is just the BODY of Christ (Life and Truth).

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye (his body) are gods, the children of the most high.

    Psalms 136:2 O give thanks unto the GOD of gods (God's body) .....

    Daniel 2:47 .....of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods ....

    John 17:21 That they (the bodies) may ALL be ONE, as thou, Father are IN ME (the body), and I in thee, that they (all bodies) may be ONE IN US ....

    Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE BODY ....ONE SPIRIT .....

    Ephesians 4:6 .... ONE GOD ....FATHER OF ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .....

    Hosea 4:6 For my people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE: because thou has rejected KNOWLEDGE, I will also reject thee (his body) ......

    Amos 3:3 Can TWO (the LIFE and the BODY) walk TOGETHER without being agreed?

    God Bless you, his body!
  • ELB - In Reply on 1 John 3 - 2 years ago
    J. D. Riles:

    Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE .......

    Most DO NOT have knowledge of the Kingdom of God.

    Ephesians 4:4 ......ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ......

    Ephesians 4:6 ....ONE GOD and Father of ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .......

    John 14:6 ....I AM TRUTH .....I AM LIFE ......

    John 17:21 That they may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you: that they may ALSO BE ONE IN US .....

    Christ is a BODY that HOLDS the LIFE of his Father.

    John 5:19 ....the SON can do NOTHING of himself ....

    John 5:30 ...I can of mine own self DO NOTHING .....

    WE are a BODY that HOLDS CHRIST (the life and truth of our Father).

    John 15:5 .... for without me you can do nothing .....

    What happen at the CROSS of Calvary?

    Sinful flesh was crucified (all mankind died that day); three days latter all mankind was raised a NEW CREATION.

    Matthew 8:22 ...let the dead bury the dead ......

    They now have the LIFE OF CHRIST:

    BUT they have NO KNOWLEDGE.

    1 Timothy 4:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the LIGHT .....

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH IT (the new creation) a body as it hath PLEASED HIM: and to every SEED HIS (Christ's) OWN BODY.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in YOU ....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that WORKETH IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    To be BORN AGAIN is to come to TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE and LIFE.

    Christ is the LIFE IN YOU, and Christ CANNOT SIN.

    Revelation 12:9... and Satan who deceiveth the whole world was cast out ....

    You are either the TEMPLE of SATAN: dwelling in deception, with no knowledge.

    OR:

    You are the TEMPLE of God: dwelling in truth and light and the LIFE OF CHRIST.

    Psalms 82:6 For I have said: Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....

    We die daily to deception and are daily being born again of truth.

    God Bless you!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Shane:

    You ask, how powerful is that darkness?

    How powerful is that light, there are from the same source?

    That light is TRUTH.

    That light is LIFE.

    Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God.

    The kingdom of God, is a kingdom of gods, IN THE AGE TO COME. We are being brought to TRUTH (to Christ) in this AGE of GRACE.

    Psalms 82:6 For I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    Psalms 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods .....

    Daniel 2:47 .....Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods .....

    John 14:6 Jesus said unto them, I am the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: no man (flesh and blood) cometh to the Father but by me.

    1 Timothy 16:6 WHO (CHRIST) ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the LIGHT which no man (flesh and blood) hath seen, nor can see ........

    Shane, flesh and blood, has to be DESTROYED by HIS COMING (truth and life): TO YOU.

    LIGHT, truth and life, hath SHINED INTO DARKNESS (MAN).

    The OLD, flesh and blood, MAN; DIED on the cross of Calvary, the NEW; flesh and bone, MAN arose from DEATH.

    YOU, when you depart this flesh and blood body, YOU will be a NEW CREATION: LIFE AND TRUTH, just like Christ.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you .....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you, truth and life, in you) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH it (the NEW MAN) a body as it has pleased him, to every SEED HIS (Christ's) OWN BODY.

    All of this is A GIFT, given to us, by the WORKINGS of the CROSS.

    God Bless You!

    Flesh and
  • ELB - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 5:11 - 2 years ago
    Brother Mark:

    I have a question?

    Is the best you can do, good enough?

    Maybe it's not our doing, but Christ's doing.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .... Christ in you .....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) working in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into HIS (Christ's) REST, he has ceased from his WORKS .....

    We are the BODY, Christ is the LIFE.

    Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations ....

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Amen Sister Suze:

    Colossians 1:27 .....THIS MYSTERY ......Christ In YOU ......

    Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the HOLY PLACE made with hands, but into HEAVEN ITSELF .....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you, heaven itself) that worketh in you both to will and to do his good pleasure.

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    God Bless YOU; his body.

    As the father and I are ONE, that they may be ONE with us.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Trusting Jesus Today:

    Those things you SEEK.

    Knowing the WILL of God answers what YOU SEEK.

    Matthew 6:10 Thy Kingdom come. Thy WILL BE DONE.

    Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ......Christ in you .....

    1 John 5:11 This is the record, that God hath GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, and THIS LIFE is his SON (the Holy Ghost).

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you, eternal LIFE) that WORKETH IN YOU (you are his body and he is the LIFE, not you, him) both TO WILL and TO DO his (the LIFE's) good pleasure.

    John 14:6 ....I am truth and life ....

    Christ himself, in the form of the Holy Ghost, THE SEED of God, is the Life in YOU, causing you HIS BODY to Do his good pleasure.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (truth and life) doth not commit sin, for HIS SEED remaineth in him (you, his body), and he (you, his body) cannot sin, because he (you, his body) is born of God.

    Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come (it's HERE, Christ in you), thy will be done.

    Peace has arrived.

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit (Christ's LIFE) in you, and CAUSE you (my body) to walk in my statutes, and to keep my commandments and DO THEM.

    Hebrews 4:10 For he (the body of Christ) that has entered into MY REST (God's Kingdom, Christ's Life)) has CEASED from his OWN WORKS .....

    God Bless You.


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