Discuss Colossians 1 Page 6

  • ELB - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Kathy:

    Man doesn't go to a PLACE, heaven of hell.

    John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, except he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which now IS IN HEAVEN; IN MAN.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .......Christ in you ....

    We are JUST A BODY; THE NEW HEAVEN, where the LIFE of CHRIST dwells.

    When he pulls THE LIFE out of the BODY (human flesh) that fleshly bodies dies.

    The LIFE goes back to God who gave THE BODY LIFE.

    When we depart this fleshly body we instantly are GIVEN a NEW BODY, the BODY of CHRIST.

    .

    The kingdom of heaven is IMMORTAL LIFE.

    The only man that has IMMORTAL LIFE is Christ.

    1 Corinthians 15:38 ...and to every SEED, HIS (CHRIST) OWN BODY ......

    John 14:6 I am Life ....

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high,

    Psalms 82:7 But ye (flesh and blood, this earthly body) shall die like one of the princes ...

    LIFE can never DIE, only this body of flesh DIES: LIFE continues in a NEW BODY.

    God Bless YOU!
  • ELB - In Reply on James 2 - 2 years ago
    Doug:

    You said when we disobey God it is lack of faith.

    When we disobey God it LACK of KNOWLEDGE.

    You died on the cross with Christ.

    Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery ....Christ in you .......

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh IN YOU (you are Christ's body, but he is the LIFE) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    John 14:6 ....I AM the LIFE .......

    Since it's his life, it's his faith, since it's his faith, it's his works.

    Faith without works is dead.

    But you have both, being you are THE BODY of Christ.

    Truth will set you free.

    God bless YOU!
  • ELB - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 2 years ago
    Sharon:

    Has Christ CAUSED you to believe on him.

    Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN, on the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but to suffer for his sake.

    Christ is the book, the word of God.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....Christ in you .....

    John 14:6 .....I AM LIFE .....

    Colossians 2:13 For it is God (his life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    You are IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.

    God Bless YOU!
  • ELB - In Reply on Mark 15 - 2 years ago
    Susan:

    We are the two thieves on the cross.

    One saved in the first resurrection.

    The other to be saved in the second resurrection.

    It's the work of that death on the cross, that CAUSES this reviling to TURN into confession unto salvation.

    Today you shall be with me in paradise (the presence of God).

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU ......

    God Bless YOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The ministry of reconciliation is given to believers.

    Notice who's addressed.

    Ephesians 1:1.

    Colossians 1:2.

    Also here.

    2 Corinthians 5:10-21. For WE must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

    For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

    For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.

    For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    And that he died for all, that THEY which live should not henceforth live unto THEMSELVES, BUT UNTO HIM WHICH DIED FOR THEM, and rose again.

    Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

    Therefore "IF" ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled US to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to US THE MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION;

    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto US the word of reconciliation.

    Now then WE are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    For he hath made him to be sin for US, who knew no sin; that WE might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Notice this continues on to the next chapter.

    2 Corinthians 6:1-13.

    Here's a contrast in

    Ephesians 2:1.

    Colossians 3:5-6.

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

    2 groups, saved and unsaved.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    In your conversation with Kay, you said:

    Those who say there is no Hell or Satan preach against the cross.

    Ephesians 2:5 Having abolished in his flesh the emnity (heart of Satan at war with the heart of God), ...... for to make in himself of twain, one new man ....

    Ephesians 2:6 That he might RECONCILE both unto God in ONE BODY by the CROSS having SLAIN the EMNITY thereby.

    Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace, through the Blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    This says that that emnity WAS SLAIN and all things RECONCILE to him by the blood of HIS CROSS.

    The says that there is a hell; preaches against the cross. Abolishing, THAT ALL by the blood of his cross WERE (finished) reconciled to him.

    Are all things reconciled to him, or is it up to MAN?

    God BLESS YOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dawn.

    Michael the archangel seems to be a powerful militant angel in the behalf of Israel.

    And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of "THY PEOPLE" and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Daniel 12:1.

    Daniel 10:13.

    Daniel 10:21.

    However we know he is not Christ.

    We can easily refute that here in Jude and in the book of Luke.

    Here in Jude 1:8-9. you see Michael the archangel gives respect to dominion and says THE LORD REBUKE YOU.

    Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

    Here in Luke 4:8. We see Jesus who created all things rebuke Satan.

    "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

    Michael the archangel is a created being.

    "The Angel of the Lord is the pre incarcerated Christ. Who created all things.

    Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    John 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    God bless.
  • ELB - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 2 years ago
    Dawn:

    Christ is the Angel of the Lord (the Father).

    Christ is the highest ranked Angel.

    Christ is Michael the Archangel.

    Christ is the Prince.

    Isaiah 63:9 ....and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE (the Father's presence, the ONLY LIFE there is) saved them.

    Christ is the saviour, therefore Christ is the Angel, the messenger of the Father.

    Luke 1:19 And the Angel answering him said unto him, I AM Gabriel, that stands in the presence of God ...

    Anyone standing in the presence of God, has the LIFE OF GOD.

    Ephesians 4:6 There is ONE GOD (ONE LIFE) and Father of ALL (standing in his presence), and above ALL, and through ALL, and IN YOU ALL.

    John 14:6 I AM THE LIFE .....

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ in You ....

    2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and will rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT (in the presence) of the lord (the ONLY LIFE).

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the only Life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT, and ONE BODY .....

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Kay: Heavenly bread for the digestion.

    Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth, (this will come to pass at the second resurrection, back to their flesh, TO JUDGEMENT) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of Life of the Lamb slain FROM the foundations of the world.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...and when thy JUDGEMENTS (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute on them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this honour hath all his saints.

    We will either be the JUDGES bringing the world to righteousness, or we will be the JUDGED, learning righteousness.

    John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU ......

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (Christ in YOU) and a NEW EARTH (where RIGHTEOUSNESS will DWELL), for the former HAD PASSED AWAY.

    These scriptures teach there is neither heaven or hell, as taught by the traditions of man.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Names of Jesus A_C - 2 years ago
    Advocate - 1 John 2:1

    Alive for Evermore - Rev 1:18

    All Knowing Psalm 139:1-6

    All, and in All - Colossians 3:11

    Almighty - Revelation 1:8

    Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8

    Altar - Hebrews 13:10

    Altogether Lovely - Song of Solomon 5:16

    Amen - Revelation 3:14

    Ancient of Days - Daniel 7:13 & Daniel 7:22

    Anointed One - 1 Samuel 2:35

    Author of Eternal Salvation - Hebrews 5:9

    Author of our Faith - Hebrews 12:2

    Balm of Gilead - Jeremiah 8:22

    Banner over us - Ps 60:4, S of Sol 2:4

    Bearer of Sin - Hebrews 9:28

    Before All Things - Colossians 1:17

    Beginning and Ending - Revelation 1:8

    Bishop of our Souls - 1 Peter 2:25

    Blessed and Only Potentate - 1 Timothy 6:15

    Blessed Hope - Titus 2:13

    Bread of Life, my manna - John 6:35

    Bridegroom - John 3:29

    Bright and Morning Star - Revelation 22:16

    Brightness of His Glory - Hebrews 1:3

    Buckler - Psalms 18:30

    Captain - Joshua 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:10

    Changeless One - Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8

    Chief Among 10,000, S. of Solomon 5:10

    Chosen of God - 1 Peter 2:4

    Christ - Matthew 1:16 - 1 John 5:1

    Comforter - John 14:16-18

    Consolation of Israel - Luke 2:25

    Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

    Creator - Romans 1:25 - Isaiah 40:28

    Crown of Glory - Isaiah 28:5
  • ELB - In Reply on Jeremiah 1 - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother Alex:

    Man does slow down when he is studying God's word and determine WHO the PRONOUN is.

    Jeremiah 1:4 Behold the WORD of the LORD (the Father) came unto ME (the Christ, the Holy Ghost), SAYING,

    Jeremiah 1:5 Before I (the Father, the Holy Spirit) formed thee (Jesus) in the belly (womb of Mary) I (the Father) knew thee (the Christ); and before thou (Jesus) came out of the womb I (the Father) sanctified thee (Jesus), and ordained the a PROPHET unto the nations.

    Jeremiah 1:6 Then said I (the Christ, the Holy Ghost), Ah, Lord God, I (the Christ, the Holy Ghost) CANNOT SPEAK: for I AM a CHILD (the SEED).

    Jeremiah 1:7 But the Lord (the Father) said unto to me (the SEED), say not I AM a child: for thou (the Holy Ghost) shall go

    to all that I (the Father) send thee (the Christ), and whatsoever I (the Father) COMMAND THEE (the Holy Ghost) shall speak.

    John 14:10 Believest thou not that I AM in the FATHER, and the FATHER in ME? the words I speak unto you I speak not of MYSELF: but the Father that DWELLEST IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS.

    Colossians 1:27....this mystery ....Christ in YOU .....

    Christ (the man) is the BODY OF HIS FATHER. The Father (the Holy Ghost. the LIFE) does everything through Christ.

    We are the BODY OF CHRIST; the Holy Ghost, the Holy Ghost (the LIFE) does every thing through man.

    As the Father and CHRIST are ONE; WE and CHRIST (the Holy Ghost) are ONE.

    God Bless YOU!

  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 1 - 2 years ago
    Greek translation of Biblical in the Gospels= (Internet research ) Greek = "Metaonia" - "meta" = "after", bears the concept of "shift", or "change",

    Repent= the act of leaving what GOD prohibited & returning to what HE commanded.

    Revelation 2:5, Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3-9, Exodus 20:14,

    Where does it say to be sorry, because of our trespass?

    Remember the woman: John 8:1-12, Psalms 130:4,

    James 2, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 33:11,

    Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Romans 8:13, Matthew 10:28, Colossians 1:10-23, Ephesians 5:1-20, Jude 1:24-25,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Isaiah 3 - 2 years ago
    That question involves a sense of one and the same when the accuser torments us and puts us in bondage. Obviously; as Romans 5:10; Colossians 1:21 and other verses indicate we all were enemies of God and remain so until we are Born Again.

    It seems with Satan's role as the "accuser of the brethren" ( Revelation 12:10) that he focuses more on those who are saved than the rest of the world-for several reasons. For one thing; being the god of this world" (Corinthians) that men being already under his spell are better to not fear reality. Undoubtably; the enemy has learned that when the fear of God comes on someone as to their spiritual state they are more likely to turn to God. If the enemy of our souls affects us it starts in our minds; and when a weakness is exploited that leads to sin the carrot as it were switches to the accusations and oppression. It is because of our sin that he has legal authority to accuse us. He may also buffet us as occurred with Paul; or use people to go after us. This is; of course no battle to seek alone-we must trust God that Christ is sufficient-it is He who remains faithful even when we are not ( 2 Tim. 2:13). If we are rendered useless to produce fruit spiritually; that is enough to kill off our witness.

    We need to understand that all our good works apart from Christ is "filthy rags" ( Isaiah 64:6). If we do have a healthy appreciation of that; we also need to see us as having a new nature (if truly we have examined ourselves in Christ to see if we are in the faith). The way to do this is to recognize His voice; and I pray that you can do that today. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We; however fall at His feet realizing our unworthiness and undeservedness of His mercies. We still are capable of sin; but in Christ that is not truly who we are as our identity; but we are dying daily to self.

    He chastises all He loves; that is different than destruction of His enemies.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I tried to respond and lost the verses. Anyway; look at Ephesians 6:17; Romans 13:4; and the earlier warnings to Pergamum for a similar response of God if repentance doesn't occur. There are other verses such as in Isaiah which prophetically speak of the sword of the Lord as it were. Basically; there is the effect on us; as the Spirit of God should pierce our hearts as Luke 2:35 states; and it is also our offensive weapon against the fiery darts of the enemy ( 1 Peter 4:12). These should be a sobering reminder; as the scripture states if we are scarcely saved; what about the ungodly (also in 1 Peter 4). There are some; as in the Corinthian church who have "fallen asleep" and who are "given over to Satan for the destruction of the body so that the soul can be saved." ( 1 Cor. 5:5).

    The Lord chastises all He loves; and they will ultimately produce fruit if they are truly saved. He is patient; but will do whatever is necessary for His plans and work in our lives to be accomplished. Truly; we are Christ's great reward for His sufferings (see Isaiah 53:11). He is given ALL authority over heaven and earth; which would be expected being a member of the Godhead. But God chose to bring Him here and to become a man suffering in all ways as we do without sin. This was God's plan and surely we all must die to ourself as the Spirit enables. Psalm 2 indicates how the world will try to break the bonds as it were of the rulership of Christ; but God has the last laugh. Surely the world will have the stone fall on them rather than falling on it.

    May we allow the pruning necessary to produce fruit. Praise God that although we were enemies of God He has reconciled us. ( Colossians 1:21). Remember that those who have taken the mark have been predestined to be reprobate as they were not written in the book of the Lamb ( Rev. 13:8).

    Agape.
  • GiGi again - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello again,

    Part 2

    Colossians 1:15-18 says: "He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn over all creation. For by Him (Jesus) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him (Jesus) and for Him (Jesus). And He (Jesus) is before all things and in Him (Jesus) all things consist. And He (Jesus) is the Head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He (Jesus) might have pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him (Jesus) all the fullness should dwell, and by Him (Jesus) to reconcile all things to Himself (Father), by Him (Jesus), whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His (Jesus;) cross." (NIV)

    This verse speaks to the deity of Christ. He has always been the Son of God, the spiritual divine eternal Image of the Father in Whom all of the fullness of God dwells. The Son of God (the Father's Image) was with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the beginning ( Genesis 1:1-2) when ALL things (other than the Godhead) were created. The Godhead created all that is invisible and visible, spiritual and material through the Son.

    Also, within the Godhead, that Father willed that the Son would be the Person of the Godhead to redeem mankind from sin and reconcile us to God through the shedding of His (Jesus') blood in the sacrifice of death on the cross.

    This verse does not say that believers are changed from human into the divine image of the Son of God (Who has always been divine). We are changed into the glorified, perfect image of the Son of Man (Jesus' humanity)

    Ephesians 4:- 4-6 says "There is one body, and one Spirit, just as you are called in one hope of your calling' one Lord, one faith. one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (NIV)

    ... continued in Part 3
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sister GiGi, I agree, it's very hard to convey all that needs to be said without being in a face to face discussion.

    I have a question?

    Romans 8:29

    1 Corinthians 15:49

    Colossians 1:15

    The word says Jesus is the image of God, his Father.

    Ephesians 4:6 There is one God and FATHER OF ALL ...

    If he's is your father, as he is Christ Father, why would you not be the exactness of his first son.

    We were predestinated to be the image of Christ. He is the firstborn of many brethren.

    Do you believe you are going to continue as you are now, or do you believe you are a new creature (creation) in Christ.

    As we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall bear the image of the heavenly.

    God's will be done in the sickness of you mother. My prays are with you and your family.

    Concerning your three sons; we both know the promises of God; PERFECTION, we just don't know the time frame.

    God Bless you!
  • Ronnette Radican on Revelation 1 - 2 years ago
    First, we must establish the readers to know who is the church. Church is not a building. Church is the people that believes in the blood shed by Jesus Christ to save us. Church is the Body of Christ. Church is the people that walk in the Spirit of God and the people who are in the Kingdom of God. Are you one of us?

    "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Colossians 1:18 KJV

    "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:" Colossians 1:24 KJV

    "Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house." Colossians 4:15 KJV

    "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18 KJV

    "As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 9:33 KJV

    "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV

    "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:" Galatians 1:22 KJV

    "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." Ephesians 5:23 KJV

    "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Ephesians 5:27 KJV

    "For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:" Ephesians 5:29 KJV

    "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." Ephesians 5:30 KJV

    "This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:32 KJV
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    James:

    The kingdom of God arrived 2000 years ago.

    The kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.

    Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery Christ in you ....

    Christ's First Coming was in the flesh, a ministery of three and a half years.

    Christ SECOND COMING was in SPIRIT (LIFE), in the form of the Holy Ghost, like a thief in the night.

    You PASSOVER, death has passed over you and you have been given eternal LIFE and that LIFE IS CHRIST.

    ... This mystery... Christ in you ......

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - 2 years ago
    MATTHEW 19:28

    Matthew 19:28 ....in the regeneration when the son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory ......

    What does this mean:

    The regeneration is when you are BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT (TRUTH).

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....Christ in you .... the Holy Ghost in you ......

    The Body is a vessel that ONLY HOLDS; the Holy Ghost, the LIFE of the vessel (our body).

    .....When the son of man (the Holy Ghost) shall sit in his THRONE OF GLORY.

    Our Body is the THRONE OF (his) GLORY, when we agree with THE WORD, that the LIFE that we now live is the LIFE OF THE HOLY GHOST, that we are ONLY the vessel that hold THE LIFE ( Philippians 2:13).

    As Christ, in the form, of the Holy Ghost is IN US, judging us, and bring us to truth.

    We will be the likeness of Christ, in the form of a ministering spirit (the Holy Ghost), judging the world (the twelve tribes of the Israel of God), bring them to truth (grafting them into the root; THE LIFE).

    Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 .....and GOD SHALL BE ALL IN ALL.

    God Bless You!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 8 - 2 years ago
    Erich,

    I'm happy to discuss Colossians 1:23. It says "if you continue," and it sounds like its conditional. You can be reconciled, have the promise of this position before God in His representation of you, but if you don't continue.

    This is the construction in Greek that's called the first class condition assumed to be true. He's not saying if you continue on. He's saying since you are continuing in the faith, and listen to this: having been grounded and settled, and not being moved away.

    There's a lot there, but basically having been grounded, every Christian that receives Christ has been grounded, and they continue on because of that. They are settled in Christ. They have received Christ. And then we have a Present Participle in the Greek text: "And are not continually being in the promise of being moved away."

    So it's not just a one-time condition where somebody says "I moved away from Christ and I lost all my salvation." There are people who are in the process of continually being removed from Christ. They are not true believers. They do not continue.

    In fact, Jesus in John 8:30-31 tells us that to those Jews who have believed in Him, He says my genuine disciples continue in my word.

    That's one of the characteristics of a believer. Some people you have to nag to stay in the word. If a believer, somebody who is born of the Spirit of God, if he or she tried to get away from the word, they are miserable.

    And so with a genuine believer, Jesus says that they will continue in my word. If you try to stop, the Lord will convict you and deal with you. That's a characteristics of a true believer.

    We don't get this from our English text because English is such a general language. But the Greek text reads, "Since (you are) continuing in the faith, having already been grounded and settled, and (you are) not being moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 8 - 2 years ago
    Erich,

    Very well said, Amen! That was the teaching in the early church. A person had to be born of God's Spirit in order to claim Christ as their Lord and savior. Romans 8:9 tells us that if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

    If I might add, salvation is not conditional based on what we do, but on what Jesus Christ has done for us. Colossians 1:23 says, "If ye continue in the faith," so it sounds conditional. But the literal translation from the Greek is, but the one who (has endured), not the one who will, but the one who has endured unto the end, this one will be saved.

    Because it is an Aorist Participle in the Greek, it shows the proof of those who are saved, and it matches the rest of the teachings in the New Testament. The person who is saved WILL endure to the end, guaranteed! So we have the proof, and secondly, the promise of salvation. That is a promise!

    I heard someone once say that the bible uses a lot of future tenses to show that salvation isn't here, it is later. No! That is a promise. A person is saved now. And when all this is over, the ones who will be saved are the ones who have endured unto the end.

    So, I agree that only those who endure to the end in faith will reap eternal life, but I would also say that the person who is saved (Born of God's Spirit), that person will endure to the end. Why? Because God's Spirit in them will cause them to endure to the end. Like you say, we are the ones being kept by the power of God through faith. He keeps us saved, all the way to the end.

    Again, very well said, and thank you for sharing this!!!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Colossians 1 - 2 years ago
    James 1:5, Matthew 7:7-14, Matthew 21:21-22, Matthew 10:1,8,

    Deuteronomy 32:39, 2Kings 20:5,

    2Chronicles 7:14,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Acts 8 - 2 years ago
    Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

    Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

    Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

    Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

    Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

    Hope these are helpful
  • ELB - In Reply on Acts 8 - 2 years ago
    Anthony:

    The first coming of Christ was his ministry IN THE FLESH, three and a half years, on earth in the flesh.

    His SECOND COMING is SPIRIT, you cannot see SPIRIT, it comes like a thief in the night.

    At pentecost Christ POURED OUT his Spirit on mankind.

    Christ, in the form of the Holy Ghost, now lives inside you, you are the BODY OF GOD, Christ is THE LIFE in YOU.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....Christ in you ......

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that WORKETH IN YOU (the body) both TO WILL and TO DO HIS (the life's) good pleasure.

    PROPHECY:

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit (life and truth) within you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.

    God Bless You!
  • Patricia Davis Mckanney on Colossians 1 - 2 years ago
    How do we as God's children be made while ( touch the hem of garment) In the natural...Me and my husband we choose to be heal from all manner of sickness and diseases Things started to happen in our life when we came to Christ whole heartly
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Andrew, you are BORN AGAIN by the TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD.

    Christ came as SINFUL FLESH, YOU ANDREW, SINFUL FLESH, died on that cross, You ANDREW, rose with CHRIST, the LIKENESS OF CHRIST, being in union with Christ, he is the LIFE, you are the BODY.

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU ........you are the body, Christ is the LIFE

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the life) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OF GOD (born of truth, because God is truth) doth not commit sin....

    TRUTH: you (the body) CANNOT sin because you ARE NOT the LIFE, but God is the LIFE, and God doth not commit sin.

    Being born again by the truth of God's word.

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath his part in the first resurrection (YOU and CHRIST rose as a new creation).......

    Truth will set you free.

    When you depart this flesh, you are instantly in the presence of Christ because YOU and CHRIST are ONE, joined TOGETHER.

    God Bless You as you LIVE IN TRUTH.
  • Daniel Lindenbaum - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I'm not sure this is 100% the answer you're looking for so I'll open the floor to others to chime in. My understanding was Pharaoh was of a different generation than the first born slain during passover. However, Pharaoh's first-born was indeed slain. Here's the defining meaning from Websters 1828 Dictionary (the true Christian's dictionary):

    FIRST'-BORN, adjective

    1. First brought forth; first in the order of nativity; eldest; as the first-born son.

    2. Most excellent; most distinguished or exalted. Christ is called the first-born of every creature. Colossians 1:1.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Giannis, who is Satan?

    Everything has an OPPOSITE.

    The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil (opposites).

    The word Of God is BUILT AROUND PARABLES, tree, or trees, is signified (represents something other than what it is in the physical).

    Christ is a Lamb, TREE OF LIFE ETC.

    The New Testament parables teach that we are the garden of God (Eden). Isaiah 5:7 Ezekiel 31:8

    The TREE of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil exist in the midst of the garden (CHRIST is this tree, as he is also the tree of Life) In the midst of the garden.

    Colossians 1:27 ..this mystery ...CHRIST IN YOU ..

    We have only knowledge of evil, until Christ (the Holy Ghost) releases, or causes, us to have the mind of Christ (then we sprout and eventually become a tree, also. Isaiah 6:13 Ezekiel 47:7 Revelation 22:1-2

    There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT, but the KNOWLEDGE of that ONE SPIRIT contains both good and evil.

    Genesis 3:22 ....the man has BECOME LIKE ONE OF US (the man has become like God) to know good and evil....

    Before man ate (the words of God), which is the TREE of KNOWLEDGE (Christ), he was the Child of SATAN (no knowledge).

    You are BORN AGAIN by THE WORD'S OF GOD.

    1 Peter 1:23 BEING BORN AGAIN ....by the WORD'S OF GOD ...

    Now Satan (DARKNESS)(lies, deception, falsehoods) has been DESTROYED and LIGHT SHINES FORTH.

    Isaiah 45:7 I FORM THE LIGHT, AND CAUSE DARKNESS: I make peace, and create evil ..

    Isaiah 9:2 The people that waked in DARKNESS, have seen a GREAT LIGHT ...

    WHO IS SATAN?

    1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are PERFECT (born of truth), yet not the WISDOM OF THIS WORLD, nor of THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD (children of Satan living in lies, deception and falsehoods, children of death and the grave).

    1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the PRINCES of this world knew, for had they known it, they would not have crucified the LORD OF GLORY.

    Matthew 12:38 But if I (our God is a consuming FIRE) cast out devils (lies, deception, falsehoods) ...then the KINGDOM IS COME
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Deloys Sutherland,

    Hello, welcome to the Discussion & Questions section of this website.

    Many of us here volunteer here because we love GOD & love HIS people, whom HE created.

    Like Adam said be careful about listening to opinion. This is such a difficult topic, emotionally, spiritually, morally etc. This issue effects society, families, individuals.

    1st let's address the effects = Loss to their family, loved ones, friends, community & even the World. Loss of what that person would have accomplished, & what that would have attributed to each mentioned. 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 139,

    2nd, What that leaves behind = confusion, sadness, undue feelings of guilt, grief, helpless feelings to those dear & close to the person & then effecting all around them, even extended to people that looked at that person as an example, children nearby, jobs, everyone & everything left, all effected 2Corinthians 3:2, 1Timothy 4:12,

    3rd root causes = pain, abuse, sometimes just selfishness, etc. But we are not without hope, Romans 8, (whole chapter)

    Hope = Hebrews 4:8-16, Romans 5:1-21, Romans 15:4,13, Galatians 5:5, Colossians 1:23,

    Strength to endure = James 5:10, Romans 12:12,

    Comfort = 2Corinthians 1:2-4,

    Purpose = Ephesians 1:17-19,

    People that went through feelings of that but made it through = 2Corinthians 1, Job 7:15, Jonah 4:9, Matthew 26:38,

    Direction = Proverbs 2, Proverbs 8, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 24:10-12, Hebrews 4:15-16,

    Disobedience to GOD = Psalms 68:20, Ezekiel 18:32, Ezekiel 33:11, Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Tom, The word of God is a parable. The Spirit of Christ wrote the Bible.

    Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (the words) of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus to the multitudes in parables, and without a parable spake he not into them.

    Numbers 23:7 And he took up this PARABLE ....

    Numbers 23:18 And he took up this PARABLE .....

    Numbers 24:20-21 ...and he took up his parable ....

    Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable ...

    Job 29: Moreover Job continued his parable ...

    Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable ....

    Ezekiel 17:2 ... and speak a parable ...

    Ezekiel 24:3 ..... utter a parable .....

    Micah 2:4 ..... take up a parable .....

    Habakkuk 2:6 Shall not all take up a parable against him .....

    Know this is what happens when you don't BELIEVE GOD when he says he speaks in parables.

    Proverbs 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal, SO IS A PARABLE IN THE MOUTH OF FOOLS.

    Heaven is a parable of the place GOD LIVES.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU .....GOD LIVES IN MAN

    The angle of the Lord is a ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) the angle of the Lord is GOD, therefore that ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) is planting his SEED (inpregenating) man with TRUTH AND LIFE; creating man in the IMAGE OF GOD.

    YES, ANGLES (MEN, that has left this body of flesh, and BECOME ministering spirits being BORN AGAIN (FATHER by the HOLY GHOST) and ONE WITH CHRIST are inpregenating creation with the SEED OF GOD.

    God Bless You!


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