Discuss John 8

  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 days ago
    Hey there brother Spencer,

    That is a great question! I'm not sure what the right answer would be, but it seems as though you have answered your own question by stating that "Judas was a manifestation of perdition, just as Jesus was the manifestation of God."

    The phrase "son of perdition" is a title. But there is no correlation between son of perdition and Son of God, even though the word HUOIS is used in both places. Since HUIOS is referring to a son who inherits the estate from his father, then what would be Judas' inheritance? Christ has inherited all things from the Father, and we are joint heirs with Christ.

    It is interesting that there are only two people in the bible that are given the title "son of perdition," Judas Iscariot and the antichrist that is to come. This is who he (Judas) was and had been his entire life.

    Jesus, speaking to the Pharisees in John 8:44 says, "You are of your father the devil." Physically they are from Abraham. Spiritually they are from the devil. Here in John 17:12, Judas is called the son of perdition. Physically, he was the son of Simon. But spiritually, he was the son of the devil.

    Remember back in John Chapter 6 Verse 70, "Jesus answered them, have not I chosen you 12 and one of you is a devil," a demon. Jesus didn't choose Judas to be a devil. He says one of you is already a devil. I'm choosing you as already being a devil. This gives us a hint as to what Judas' inheritance will be!

    The word HUIOS used by itself would not have triggered the Jewish leaders at that time. It was the entire phrase Jesus used by claiming to be the "Son of God" that the Jews considered blasphemous. To them, He was claiming to be God, which we know He truly is God come in the flesh. By Him claiming to be God, He was making Himself equal to God (which He is).

    Blessings to you!
  • Bennymkje - 1 week ago
    Matt.12:24 "Ten"

    "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."

    Blasphemy against the Spirit was not a single instance that can be levelled against the nation. In the Parable of the Wicked Tenants Jesus sums up"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."(Matt.21:43) As a nation they were unfit so Isaiah says, " Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint."(Is.1:5). While Moses went up the mount to receive the Decalogue the Israelites were already buy making a golden calf. What spirit was animating them? They were not of God. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."( John 8:44)

    Decalogue therefore was a set of commandments distinct from Gospel of salvation signified by the Command Number 10.

    We shall see the difference in the vision of the Woman clothed with the Sun. "And upon her head a crown of twelve stars." This tag signifies the everlasting covenant and the nation of Israel shall not enter therein as the Parable signified.

    "And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." (Re.12:3). The dragon signifying spiritual wickedness in high places is under condemnation. Therefore the ten horns refer to the Decalogue and he shall be cast into the lake of fire before the day of Regeneration commence. "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."(Re.20:10)

    Israel as a nation of the Law have no place in the holy city of God.
  • Anna - 3 weeks ago
    John 8:58.

    John 20:28-29.

    Revelation 1:8.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 4 weeks ago
    Hi Ronald

    My opinion is that the expression sons of God in Genesis is figurative. It shows that people who obey God's commandments are called His sons. In the begining sons of God were the descedants of Seth. But as they were mixing with the rest of sinful people getting married to their daughters, those daughters made them turn away from God and eventually by the time of Noah only 8 of them remained righteous.

    In John 8:42-44 Jesus says to the Jews, "Ye (the Jews) do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. ..." So everyone who does the lusts of devil is a son of devil and one who follows the commandements of God is a son of God. This is how I understand it.

    About those sons of God being fallen angels, this idea can not fit in what Jesus said about us living in Heaven like angels and not getting married. Angels have no sex although the masculine sex is used for them. In Job in all those verses you mentioned, in the Septuagint is written angels of God, not sons of God.
  • Bennymkje - 1 month ago
    Ge.5:1 "After our image and after our likeness" (1 of 2)

    "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;"

    The Spirit is giving us one narrative thread to show the sons of Adam and the other in the likeness of God. Because in the holy family of God the latter had the seed in itself and would show with their fruits that they were blessed under the covenant in the Man component. The first example to be called the righteous one is Abel. By offering,"the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof," he showed that he was planted by God. His works proved it. ( 1 John 3:12). Seth proved it by stepping into the breach made by Cain. (4:25-26) His generation proved by faith. "Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.". It answers the period 'in the beginning' the book opened with. Ge.1:1

    "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens," (2:4) The Spirit now begins with the period in the day that God created which also is tacked on to the generations of Adam where after our image and after our likeness are made distinct.

    The second narrative thread gives us that of Jesus, "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."(Matt.1:1) Jesus as the son of David is "after our image" meaning according to the flesh as stated in this passage, "that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;"(Ac.2:29-30) There is another connection with regards to Abraham. Jesus tells the Jews that "Before Abraham was, I am." How did they receive it? They were the sons of Adam and did not have the truth in them. The truth signifies the seed that is in itself. "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."( John 8:58-59)
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Greetings in Christ JESUS, SeanPaul'

    Yes,certainly,as you said,GOD HIMSELF manifested himself to the Hebrews through the OT;which was written by the twenty-four elders,starting with Moses,understand?By the way,JESUS said GOD is Spirit- John 4:24-,what is the name of the invisible Spirit of GOD?Well,GOD had said in the beginning- Genesis 1:26(the beginning is JESUS,who is the LITERAL IMAGE of GOD,He is GOD)-, yes, GOD had said:"Let us make man in OUR image,after OUR likeness", then, both are One, and as we can see, since ancient times, since Genesis, GOD revealed He would be made flesh.

    By the prophet Isaiah,who is one of the 24 elders,GOD again revealed He would be made flesh, and around 2000 years ago He LITERALLY fulfilled His promise- John 1:14-and what is the NAME that GOD chose for He Himself? The NAME that GOD chose for He Himself was/is JESUS - JOSHUA-. Luke 1:26-the angel GABRIEL was sent FROM GOD(the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing) unto a city of Galilee,named Nazareth,and said to Mary:behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his NAME JESUS. He shall be great, and called the Son of the Highest: the Lord GOD(the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing) shall give unto Him the throne of His father David.

    Remember: The Jews said to JESUS: John 8:41-we have one Father, even God. And JESUS said to the Devil, father of the Jews-Yahweh:It is written,Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the MOUTH OF GOD-Mat.4:4.

    Psalms 110:1combined with Hebrews 1:8(plus Matthew 25:11, James 2:1, Isaiah 49:14, Luke 20:42, 1 Corinthians 9:1) -

    GOD said to the Lord JESUS:Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.

    KJV Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 26:4 LORD=JEHOVAH; ->JEHOVAH is another esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist nickname of the father of the Jews.

    Luke 16:5 lord=a King or one of authority,yes, see John 18:37.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Sean Paul

    The King James Version uses Lord because it fortunately is the true translation approved by the Holy Spirit. You did not make mention what verse you have compared, anyway Lord may be JESUS or others biblical personage, as you may know JESUS is the LORD of the lords; who are the others besides JESUS?

    The KJV is correct and true, Biblehub is not, and its translation in this specific case is one among others that will be burned with everlasting fire, because Yahweh is the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist name used by the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism as it was GOD's name, but it is not, it is the name of the father of the Jews- John 8:44KJV-that is their God- 2Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV.

    JESUS said: John 8:41-43KJV

    41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to JESUS, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even GOD.

    42 Jesus said unto them, If GOD were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from GOD(take a look in Hebrews 1:1-4); neither came I of myself, but He sent me.

    43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my Word.

    Hebrews 4:12-13KJV

    12 For the Word of GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. or we must render an account
  • Oseas - 1 month ago
    Revelation 11:15 and 18

    15...The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

    18 And the nations were(WILL BE) angry, and GOD's WRATH is come ... and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

    The message above was written around 95AD to be LITERALLY fulfilled in the future( Revelation 1:1) , and now, even now, from now on, the prophecy will LITERALLY be executed, for GOD is wrathed against all nations and they will be destroyed, include the current Israel, and only and only will be saved a remnant of Israel- Micah 7:18-20, in fact only 144K will be saved- Revelation 7:1-8. And the others?

    The others? Matthew 23:33-35

    33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers (why serpents? why generation of vipers? The answer is in John 8:44.Take a look), how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

    35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

    Get ready
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Hi Jaz.

    Firstly let me say I prefer the King James translation.

    With that being said, Let me ad on to what Giannis has shared.

    When we as English speaking people, when we see the word world we are thinking of the physical world at large.

    I believe there is a Greek word for that, and it's oikoumen. "land that is the (terrene part of the) globe;

    You will find the word world used this way in Matthew 24:14. "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

    In Matthew 28:20 in the Greek the word used for world is "eos" (time,age) its an Era or time period.

    "kosmos" is also used for the word world, and you will see it used in John 8:23. "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this WORLD.

    kosmos is defined as

    "orderly arrangement that is decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense including its inhabitants.

    These greek words have different meanings and can not be interchanged.

    Using the word age in Matthew 28:20 doesn't change the meaning intended.

    God bless
  • Oseas - 1 month ago
    Psalms 24:1-10

    24:1 The earth is the Lord's,and the fulness thereof; the world,and they that dwell therein. -->(Comment:Luke:4:8-9:->8The Devil taketh JESUS up into an exceeding high mountain, sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And he said to the Lord GOD, Lord JESUS: All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.)

    Yes,"The earth is the Lord's,and the fulness thereof;the world,and they that dwell therein",This is true,of course, but what the Devil said to JESUS is lie, he is the father of lie, never abode in the Truth- John 8:44.

    24:2 For the Lord hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

    3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord?(Satan intends to climb the mountain of the Lord- Isaiah 14:13-15),or who shall stand in His holy place?

    4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

    5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the GOD of His salvation.

    6 This is the generation of them that seek Him, that seek thy face, O Jacob.Selah.

    7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates, and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

    8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. (in the war)

    9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

    10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory.Selah.

    Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only wise GOD, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.(1Ti.1:17)
  • Bennymkje - 1 month ago
    Signs: "water and fire"


    "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."(Ge.1:6) As with separation of light we have God making a distinction between the waters above and below the firmament. So signs where water from the earth rising as a mist is different from the river flowing out of Eden to water the garden on the east of Eden. Everlasting covenant applies here as well. Adam whose sin of disobedience proved that he was a servant. "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"(Ro.6:16). Jesus gives us a clue to the expulsion of Adam, "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever( John 8:35-36). The Garden that God planted was for the last Adam. It also example the purpose of the water,"But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." This is the quality of 'the vile body' of flesh and blood.(Ge.2:7-8) The first Adam was earthy on account of it.

    Water sent from God we shall see at several places, so everlasting covenant is operational. The ground was cursed on account of sin and when Hagar was in dire straits in the wilderness of Beersheba we read that God opened her eyes, "And she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink."Ge.21:19). This river of time flows till the last chapter. Against which Moses giving Israelite water to drink and quenching the thirst of mighty Samson which establishes the covenant is working. God sent succour to him and the place, "which is in Lehi unto this day:(Ju.15:19). This water serves as a sign that he was blessed in the Son according to the covenant. On the contrary we have " In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness." (Ze.13:1). This is in relation to the new earth.
  • Bennymkje - 1 month ago
    Re.5:1-5 "Within and and on the backside" (1 of 2)

    Compare this book sealed with seven seals to the stone tables which Moses broke at the foot of the mount."And the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written." (Ex.32:15-16) This was the work of God, "And the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables." Now we shall compare another. "He said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll," which the prophet did eat,"And it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness." (Ez.1:1-3) Now we have the word become flesh who is represented by Ezekiel as the Son of man and Moses is the servant of God. Jesus as the Son, "But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."(He.3:5-6). The role of the house of Israel is what a servant can attend to. "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever."( John 8:35). So the second set of tables was intended for Israel and which Moses was to write by himself. " And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments." The everlasting covenant and the Decalogue are signified by 'on the one side, and on the other side." Since Moses literally broke it God did not revise His will but Moses was allowed to write the words of the covenant.

    The roll that Ezekiel had eaten is "the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart."(2 Co.3:3)

    Having compared two kind of tables, of stone and of the heart we have the bound book "written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."(Re.5:1) In order to indicate the authority we have seven seals and the Lamb having seven horns." stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns."
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 month ago

    GOD gave the Revelation unto JESUS,to shew unto His servants,and JESUS revealed unto us by His angel,in fact an archangel, one like unto the Son of man,and also through John,the Apostle,who write the book.

    Revelation 13:11-And I beheld ANOTHER Beast coming up out of the earth;and he had two horns like a lamb,and he spake as a dragon.

    Rainwalker, remember:

    The dragon, the Beast that will manifest himself in this current time,he is the Beast of the earth.Who is the dragon? He is the old serpent, called the Devil,and Satan,which deceives the whole world,in other words,as JESUS said,he is the father of the Jews- John 8:44.

    By the way, I must say that this MAN Beast of the earth already was born decades ago, understand?What withholdes his manifestation is the validity of sacrifice of our Lord on the cross,the blood of JESUS,that he might be revealed only in his time.It will be soon.

    The sacrifice and the oblation will cease,the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place,and the overspreading of abominations shall make it desolate until the consummation.

    He will manifest himself not as Devil or Satan,the prince of the darkness,but like a lamb,a false lamb,a false Messiah,of course. Furthermore,he has two horns, symbol of two kingdoms-Israel and Judah.

    2 Thes.2:7-12

    7The mystery of iniquity doth already work:only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    8And then shall that Wicked be revealed,whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth(His Word),and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

    9Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;because they received not the love of the truth,that they might be saved.

    11And for this cause GOD shall send them strong DELUSION,that they should believe a lie:

    12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Everlastig covenant- separation

    "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."(Ge.1:4)

    In order to show the relevance of this separation of ight from darkness we shall take up the emergence of nations. .

    "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof./And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it."(Re.21:23-24) This is separate from Outer darkness .The separation explains the blessedness of the first resurrection. "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,"(Re.20:6) God blessed man (Ge.1:28). This covenant is everlasting so who has parti in the first resurrection leave no confusion. Not nations but man who is in Jesus Christ blessed. He is a tree of righteousness whose seed is in itself. "and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth."(Ge.1:11)

    On the other hand we see the wicked children of darkness showing the quality of lucifer who said, "I will". " will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High./Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."(Is.14:14-15). Nations emerging from the children of Noah we have th point of time they dwelt onthe plains of Shinar. What was the driving force? " And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven;"(Ge.11:4) DNA of Lucifer, is it not? Similarly Israel says,"Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt."(Nu.14:4) They resisted God and Moses. For this reason Jesus said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."( John 8:44-45)
  • Anna - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Dear Brigitta,

    For Your meditation,

    John 14:6 kjv,

    John 1:12-14,

    1 Timothy 2:5,

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4,

    John 1:9,

    Ephesians 1:7,

    Romans 10:4,

    John 8:32.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    Conclusion of primary applications and themes of scripture

    1 Corinthians 10:11 says: Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

    This verse helps to tie in the examples; both good and bad from various characters and narratives in the Bible so that we can understand the temporal and eternal consequences of our actions; and hopefully learn the fear of the Lord as a result. The moral principles of the Lord never change; even if we study the lives of those under the authority of the Old Covenant vs. the New Covenant. The souls of all men are mine ( Ezekiel 18:4) states God. Therefore; it is just as true that not one "jot or tittle" of His word will fail ( Matthew 5:18); the spiritual laws in scripture of conduct are as certain as the natural laws that every man lives subject to.

    One more point I want to cover before wading into the waters of the subject of secondary themes and applications is that although it usually involves large swaths of scripture and repeated concepts throughout with many cross references most of the time; there are a few key concepts that are rather limited. One which jumps to mind is Christ actually stating that He is the "I am". John 8:58 from what I know is the only place it is explicit; there are other places clearly where it is either implied or meant with the original language; certainly the Pharisees knew this or they wouldn't have tried to kill Jesus 10 times or so before they finally succeeded. More often seen is the unique claims of Christ as being the only way to the Father (I am the way the truth and the life may perhaps means the same thing as my last reference). He also showed this with offering forgiveness of sins which is only something God can do. We see in this what is implied if CORRECTLY interpreted shows much of the primary themes; we could cite the Parables as a good example of this.
  • Oseas - 2 months ago
    Matthew 24:

    1 of 2 -JESUS described two events:


    1-JESUS came out from the Temple,the disciples came to Him and shew Him the stones of the Temple.

    2-JESUS said unto them,See ye not all these things?verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here one stone upon another,that shall not be thrown down.

    The testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.What He said was LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD,40 years after His ascension. There should never again be built another similar Temple,the den of the thieves never came to be rebuilt as it was.

    Notice that concerning the destruction of the Temple,it has nothing to do with Mount Olives;

    Mount Olives has to do only with the DESTRUCTION of the WORLD of Devil in the current time,from now on.

    Israel was destroyed from 70 to 1948,1878 years of severe punishments and curses- Deuteronomy 28:15-68-the Temple there should never again be built another.The father of the Jews- John 8:44-will be cast down into the bottomless pit,that he should deceive the nations no more- Revelation 20:1-4.


    3JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives.The disciples came unto Him privately,saying:Tell us,when shall these things be?

    1-What shall be the sign of thy coming?

    2-And of the END of the world?

    4JESUS gave a list of signs,saying what AT FIRST will happen:

    (1)Take heed that no man deceive you;

    (2)For many shall come in my name,saying,I am Christ( John 5:43-48);and shall deceive many;

    (3)And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:see that ye be not troubled:for all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet;

    (4)For nation shall rise against nation,and kingdom against kingdom;

    (5)and there shall be famines;

    (6)and pestilences;

    (7)and earthquakes,in divers places;

    JESUS warned:All these are the beginning of sorrows.At first,all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet.In fact,it is a PRETRIBULATIONAL PERIOD

  • Oseas - In Reply - 2 months ago

    As I affirmed in prior post, I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, the Word is from everlasting to everlasting, understand?

    And you said to me in your reply, it is 'Well and Good' to work with the Word of GOD as I do. This is the reason by which in the list of the 24 elders that I have posted, Enoch is not one of them. So, I told you Enoch is NOT one of the twenty four elders.

    The wisdom of GOD is in mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which He ordained before the world unto the glory of the true believers, as is written in 1Corinthians 2:9-10

    Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him. But GOD hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.

    In the other hand, you said you 'work with what you can', and regarding what you have sowed here saying Enoch is one of the 24 elders,it's not true. You are working with devilish LITERATURES of the Jews, you are working with esoteric, kabbalistic and spiritist trash about Enoch spread mainly through Internet by devilish messengers of the father of the Jews- John 8:44.HOW CAN YOU BELEIVE IN THEM?INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

    No surprise THE EXISTENCE of devilish lieteratures of Enoch,the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Jews also invented 10 fictitious names for my GOD Father,and printed them in the Old Testament(Tanack) as:YHWH,Yahweh,Jehovah,HaShem,Adonai, Yehovah,Elohim,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah(fictitious NAMES of GOD or NICKNAMES)that will be burned with everlasting fire from now on.

    What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,GOD Himself,self-executing. Hebrews 4:12-13. Take a look.

    Be careful or else get ready,GOD is a consuming/devouring fire.

    Every man's work shall be made manifest:for the Day shall declare it,because it shall be revealed by fire;and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Greetings Ecalarese

    Be careful with AI , it links only in one edge of the Sword, I mean in the letter of the Holy Scripture, this one edge of the Sword of GOD only kills the souls- Genesis 3:1 combined with Matthew 16:22-23. Satan only uses the letter of the Holy Scriptures- John 8:44. The life in the Holy Scripture is the Spirit of GOD- John 4:24 combined with John 6:63, it is in the other edge of the Sword, and AI will never be linked to the Spirit of GOD, but to the spirit of Devil.

    Satan uses the letter, the writings, of the Bible, to deceive listeners or readers of the Scriptures. Take care.

    What I tell you I tell to all

    Hbrews 4:12-13

    12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to render an account.

    GOD bless
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Is.14:13 "For thou hast said" (2 of 2)

    God set everything perfect. God set Lucifer perfect in beauty. But his pride was his own invention. As a spirit he tinkered with his thoughts Jesus says "When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." ( John 8:44) For this reason Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as the son of perdition. The beast is another. Their sin traces who their father is. Man is shaped by his thoughts and for this reason what is a merchant prince but a mean fellow whose wakeful life is seized by profits and raking the muck of turning up wealth. In old China they were held in low esteem. In our society they are looked upto though they are as cantakerous as a Musk or as Bezos who has to monitor 7x24 their employees.

    James says,"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:/But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed./Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."(Jas.1:13-15)
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    "Heart of God" Ez.28:1 (2 of 2)

    Mind of man is not brain which facilitates assembling information it receives into a thought pattern. Mind like heart is a spiritual space. By breathing into the nostrils of Adam he made him a living soul. So truth in man's inward pars make heart and mind interchangeable. Heart supplies the force from the inclinations that mind of man assembles. Thus King of Tyrus understands his advantages, "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence,"(28:16) This pre-eminent position of the seafaring nation did not come by playing by the rules but with violence, 'greed is good' the king would have rationalized. In order to maintain their lead meant playing a dirty cut-throat game. The pride and ruthlessness showed their DNA came from Lucifer, the covering cherub.

    Satan or Lucifer was set up perfect in beauty. Whereas Jesus Christ the Son was perfect in the beauty of holiness. "Thus saith the LordGod; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty./Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God" (28:12-13)

    God blessed man in his Son. So the river from Eden watering the garden shows Eden as a kingdom where the Son had his presence even as Satan has had. Eden is qualified as the garden of God. It is also described as the mountain of God. In Is.14 Satan would want to sit higher than the rest of the congregation to which we shall come in the next post. Eden and Zion have their own significance.

    The point we need to understand the creature telling the creator, "I will want more honour than you are willing to give." It is the spirit of disobedience which marks the children of darkness or the children of wrath. Either you have the inheritance among the heirs in the kingdom of light or with Satan,"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me./Why do ye not understand my speech?...."

    ( John 8:42-45)
  • Oseas - 2 months ago

    The end of times has arrived and what the Devil intends to do as the father of the Jews( John 8:44), is to direct the current world under his rule towards a global environment that will facilitate the establishment of his much desired Universal Kingdom, his fifth Universal Kingdom, for which Satan has been working since ancient times starting with Abel's murder- Matthew 23:33-35.Take a look. GOD revealed to the king of Babylon through Daniel this desire of Satan by interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream: Daniel 2:41-43, but in verses 44 to 47 GOD reveals how He will destroy the Kingdom of the Devil, father of the Jews- JOHN 8:44.

    There will be a TERRIBLE WAR from now on between GOD's people X Satan's people. Re.11:15 says: The KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. ( Matthew 5:5 combined with Revelation 5:10).

    But Satan as a God intends to do the same with global world ruled by him-2Thes.2:3-4&9-12 combined with Revelation 12, i.e. to establish his satanic Universal religious Kingdom.


    Revelation 16:13 to 16

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like FROGS come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the False Prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of GOD Almighty.

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Ar - mag - eddon.

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. (Get ready)

    Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Wake up, quick, and get ready
  • Oseas - 3 months ago
    The Devil took JESUS up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And said unto JESUS; "All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it". Luke 4:6

    Was it /is it true? Do you believe in what the Devil said to JESUS? The Devil is the father of lie, understand? John 8:44-45. Who delivered the kingdoms of the world to him?

    What the Devil shewed to JESUS was no delivered to the Devil, he USURPED.

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy... John 10:10
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    Satan's machinations: The soul and the spirit realm

    Slavery in all it's ugly reality from the 1800s in particular in the USA is something most citizens in our nation haven't seen in the better part of 200 years. Sadly with the uncontrolled child slave labor and sex slavery today it may be closer to our backyard than we think. The reality of this should teach us a lesson in regard to how we in the spiritual dimension are basically OWNED and controlled by either Satan or Christ. This is how a book like Philemon could be written; it wasn't that cruelty was to be exonerated (as shown by other verses on the subject of slaves and masters) but it was that our spiritual state superceded whatever our earthly position happened to be in a particular time; culture or nation. John 8:33 shows the myopia of the Pharisees stating that they were never slaves despite the obvious biblical precedent from Egypt in particular as well as Babylon to some extent. The bigger problem; of course was being a slave to sin which means a soul is being held captive by Satan. It also means a soul is estranged and in enmity with God ( Romans 5:10). God is merciful and longsuffering; but that doesn't last forever without repentance.

    There are many ways Satan will come after our soul but they all pretty much amount to the same thing. There are myriads of other faiths besides Christianity and the true God of the Jews in the Old Testament but they all lack definite assurances of a good afterlife; or any individual that has overcome death. They can only use methods of man in reality; whether war or conquest; philosophy; wisdom; etc. We see the same tactics of cults especially in tandem with polytheistic idol worship; these include "Kundalini" experiences; "sweat lodges"; mushrooms and other psychodelic methods of having a "spiritual" experience.

    New Age no doubt uses seduction and enchantments to entice men to commit fornication; along with other "darker" spells to inflict harm.
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    Further insights on propetic significance of blessing descendants

    Genesis 12:3 shows a blessing from God to Abraham and his descendants which affects all those who bless Israel with a blessing; and curses those with a curse. This effectively puts us all in a position to reap blessings from being part of God's family even if not in the bloodline of Abraham. Romans 9:6-7 shows that is not bloodline that guarantees eternal inheritance and John 8:33-35 makes this clear and the punchline as it were is in verse 44 where Jesus tells them point blank that they are in reality sons of the Devil. They would literally spit in the face of the one who came to save all mankind; including those Gentiles they despised.

    It is very interesting to me that there were no punches pulled with any of the Patriarchs in assessing the true condition and resulting destiny of their descendants; indeed it proves inspiration from God. There was never any argument as to the bad news so to speak as to the validity of the message; only anger in the case of Esau of a blessing lost to a usurper brother.

    It does seem Esau mellowed out after being in a position where he likely would have killed his brother if his mother didn't have the wisdom to send him away. Eventually there was some restitution of family ties.

    I highly recommend Hebrews 11 and 12 for further insight on the saints of God and admonitions for those who profess to be Christians. Here we see how tenacity was ineffective for Esau due to his generally sinful lifestyle; but also we can see Jacob's tenacity wrestling God all night long in Genesis 32 starting in verse 22. He was preparing to meet Esau and sent his family ahead; thus alone in the wilderness and God granted the blessing. Part of it no doubt was an attitude of humility toward his brother who accepted his gift and then he separated from him. Joseph's blessing no doubt validated the dream of his youth and was proven by his humbling as a slave and exaltation.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Hi Bennymkje

    In response to you request, my Bible is written in Portuguese, translated by Joo Ferreira de Almeida, printed by Imprensa Bblica Brasileira, created in 1940, adding a system of biblical references, and a concise or compact biblical dictionary translated from English by Dr. S.L. Watson and wife, Mrs Ana, former missionaries in Brazil.

    I'm from Brazil, I live in the south of Brazil, close to Argentina, now it's 1.05 AM here.

    As for the Jewish calendar, I agree with you, saying, "Being a Jew does not make his calendar correct", and That's exactly what I tried to demonstrate in my post yesterday, asking the following question: How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? In my understanding, I find this difference in the calendar of a genuinely biblical people created and developed by GOD very strange.

    So I suggested three specifics events at facts that are a stain on the nation's history of Israel , actually shameful events in the history of Israel as probable causes of the difference between the Jewish calendar and the Biblical Chronology. The three events are:

    1-The Jewish Calendar begins in Seth, not in Adam, so we have less 130 years here;

    2-Jews do not consider their 40 years of wandering in the desert, from Egypt to the promised land;

    3-They do not consider also their shameful 70 years of captivity in Babylon.

    What other explanation could there be that would justify this difference of exactly 240 years?

    NOTE:Not only their calendar is a nonsense,biblicaly uncorrect,as we all can see,but also a devilish colection of fictitious GOD's NAMES that they added in the Jewish Bible by their esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist spirit, even calling GOD's name through four capital letters YHWH or YHVH among other nine pseudo names,which are not named by the Holy Spirit,but by the spirit of the Evil,the Wicked- John 8:44.The true and only NAME of GOD is revealed, for example, in Acts 4:11-13 and Hebrews 1:8.

    GOD bless
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago

    Continuing on the Revelation 21:8 warnings of those in hell we see this category. This would no doubt encompass ALL types of sexual immorality; whether fornication or adultery which are two categories deliberately separated in many scriptures as different types of sin. I am not going to use this forum to go into in length my viewpoint on adulterous marriages; but will say that unless that is what is referred to it seems a lot harder to categorize a lifestyle of sin as committing adultery than it would to say someone likes to fornicate a lot (sleep around). There may be a few sick folks who deliberately want the thrill of having a fling with a married person but for the sake of their own security and simple convenience they probably will find it easier much of the time having relatinships with unmarried or "available" women. Therefore I have to deduce it is indeed adulterous marriages referred to; and that of a state of continuing sin as long as a relationship isn't a true covenant before God. I'll leave it to the readers to study the verses on the subject and the so called "exception or escape clause"; something I have studied in great detail but don't want to raise friction with on this site. Before moving on; I will note that adultery meant an instant death penalty in the Old Testament according to the law (if proven by witnesses and both parties should be present hence invalidating the presentation of John 8:1-11.) Fornication is a different penalty in O.T. law. Also there can be people who are prostitutes or just generally immoral as related to the term "whoremongers". The end result of LIFESTYLES of any of these sins is hell; which is a warning to someone calling themselves a believer who doesn't turn away from sin when making a verbal confirmation of repentance. Of course ANY sin leads us to hell; hence we are all doomed without His atoning sacrifice. Therefore all lost fit into one or more of these descriptions in Revelation 21:8
  • Bennymkje - 3 months ago
    Mark 6:1-6 "His own country"

    "And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him."

    Matthew places less emphasis on his country than with Mark. After delineating the visit to Gadarenes Matthew goes on with the the healing so much so the multitudes "marveled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men".(Matt.9:8). The unclean spirits all had a country to call their own whereas Jesus refers Capernaum in Galilee as his own country. Jesus had declared,"The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."(Matt.8:20). So what significance the place names hold? These names associated with him sets the humanity of Jesus in focus. But twists and turns of it owe to the scriptures than by the will of man. He was born in Nazareth thereby fulfilling what was spoken of him by the prophets.(Matt.2:23) His Galilean ministry revolved about Capernaum so much so in terms of his deity Nazareth was interchangeable for Capernaum since he dwelt among them as the word become flesh.

    The earth and the fulness belongs to God which is the point from which St Mark's Gospel surveys. So the country that the unclean spirit referred to was the observation of a servant. "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever."( John 8:35). The Preacher declared the truth beforehand. "One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever."(Ec.1:4). Thus Luz shall be known as Bethel. Jerusalem was earlier known as the city of Jebus. Since God has left all judgment to his Son these place names has the same characteristic: now you see now you don't. Sodom, Egypt Jerusalem are interchangeable.(Re.11:8)

    The Spirit organized the life of the Son so what Mark informs us gives the narrative of Matthew an heightened reality.
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    More on the Tribulation

    And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. ( John 8:35).

    When we consider the state of the human soul as well as the angelic realm we realize that access to the heavenly abode is only for those who kept their first estate; as opposed to those mentioned in Jude 6 who fell away after Lucifer's deception. Such is the case as well for men; unregenerate men are truly slaves to sin ( Romans 6:20). We find that our freedom indeed puts us into bondage while being a servant of Christ brings victory.

    It is tempting to include some verses from secular songs which at least admit to the dazzling display that Satan appearing as an angel of light uses to delude the masses. ( 2 Cor. 11:14). Since he can no longer magnify God's name; Satan and his minions can only appeal to the nature of man; as he did when influencing Peter to speak as he did about Christ ( Matthew 16:23). Men's thoughts are on self preservation; not sacrificial love. We want to keep close those who are closest to us; which isn't necessarily wrong in itself but is if God is subservient; thus we hate our lives and keep it ( John 12:25). Hence is the paradox of living in Christ and it will come to it's fullest realization during the fires of the Tribulation. It is hard to comprehend just how powerful the delusion will be mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:11. GOD sends the strong delusion! As stated previously; the trumpet judgments still won't deter the world of it's sins; and in Revelation 9:14-21 after the 200,000,000 demon horde kill one third of all of the earth people STILL won't stop their abominable acts. Keep in mind this is well after the sixth SEAL where people at that time are still hiding in caves and fully aware of God and Christ on their thrones beginning judgment ( Rev. 6:16-17).

    This of course will lead to the delusion mentioned in Psalm 2 and Revelation 19 where men come together at Armageddon and eventually try to fight God.
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    Romans 2:9 states: There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile..

    (NIV); but says tribulation and anguish in the KJV. There is another verse stating that judgment begins at the house of God. ( 1 Peter 4:17).

    Just as not all Israel is Israel ( Romans 9:6); not all the "professing" church is the possessing church; that is possessing the Holy Spirit and true salvation. Jesus made that perfectly clear to those who thought because they were the physical descendants of Abraham that gave them some sort of benefit were sadly mistaken ( John 8:39-44). Those who had seen Christ; knew the prophecies about the Messiah and yet rejected Him would in fact be worse off than Sodom and Gomorrah in their punishment. ( Matt. 11:21-24). We see similar warnings for those who have knowledge of the truth and become reprobate; in that it would be better not to have known it in the first place ( 2 Peter 2:21).

    Testing ourselves to see if we are in the faith is sadly lacking today among professing believers; or we would see a reality check in the fruits of many lives. ( 2 Corinthians 13:5). We can glibly see this example as a carnal bunch of people and think that being steeped in our own religious training or theology that we are automatically exempt from this test. I have said before that there are dangers in any extreme that is lacking the balancing attribute; such as with loving people and warning them of judgment to come ( John 16:8). We see in the Ephesian church everything being done properly but their first love somehow becoming distant in their hearts. Look at 1 Corinthians 13:6; love rejoices in the truth. The basic fact that man's heart is desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9) and that our sin makes us enemies of God ( James 4:4) means that there is a wall between opposing parties and yes God is angry with the wicked (i.e. us) every day. ( Psalm 7:11). Having our heads in the sand doesn't help anyone.

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