Discuss Revelation 8

  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    Trumpet judgment #1

    "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." ( Revelation 8:7).

    This and the next 3 trumpets seems to be what the 144,000 were sealed to protect them against. Revelation 7:3 says: Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    Trumpets 2 and 3 discuss the destruction of 1/3 of the sea in regard to life and commerce; as well as a third of the waters of the earth made bitter. The fourth trumpet gets into one third of the day AND night having no light. This certainly will trump any so called eclipse sign of God as it will be truly frightening. Clearly something will be blocking light from above the earth's atmosphere maybe related to what crashes into the sea in the earlier trumpet.

    The 1/3 mentioned here and later on in the sixth trumpet judgment is almost certainly related to the judgment to come on the 1/3 of the angels that fell with Lucifer that are to be cast down on the earth. Isaiah 24:21 says And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

    In the fifth trumpet; we see the first judgment of demons that are directly affecting mankind. In this case torment only was allowed; and death withheld somehow. Immediately following this we have the event of the two prophets being killed; put on display and resurrected as proven by this verse: One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. ( Revelation 9:12). I STRONGLY suspect that these individuals will be convinced once the Antichrist beast is "resurrected" that he both causes their suffering to cease and also that their inability to die will be proof that they are IMMORTAL because of the power OVER Apollyon ( Rev. 9:11) WITH THE MARK.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    "Bennymkje"

    The Bible,mainly Revelation is full of enigmas,puzzle.You referred to Revelation 8;1 that says:There was silence in heaven for 'the space half an hour'.How can we understand this period of time that GOD revealed to JESUS through His sealed book?

    Moses in his pray to the Lord GOD said:Ps.90:12-Teach us to number our days,that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.Verse 4- a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday.

    Peter Apostle quoting Psalm 90,wrote:Beloved,be not ignorant of this one thing,that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years,and a thousand years as one Day-2Pe.3:8.

    In fact,in accord to the Biblical Chronology,the source of Truth,on GOD's six Days of works and one Day of rest(a total of seven days)plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years(II Pet.3:8)so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each(a total of 6000 years) plus a Millennium of 1000 years rest (now a total of 7000 years).

    That said:Once 1000 years on GOD's clock is one Day, if we know that MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each, so according to the MANKIND calendar mainly among the Gentile nations, more specifically Christians nations, one day has 24 hours, so in my view on hour on GOD's clock correspond to a period of around 42 years -->1000/24=41,666 years.Thus we can say that "half an hour" on GOD's clock correspond to around 21 years (20,8...)

    Would be this period of around 21 years(the same period that was necessary to finish the rebuild of Jerusalem,and begining a new period after the consecration of the Temple in Jerusalem)yeah,would be this 21 years corresponding to the first 21 years of the current millennium?

    Not curious,of course,but trying to search an understanding of the Revelation 8:1 about "half an hour" on GOD's clock,pointing the beginning of the fulfillment in this current millennium the sound of the first Trumpet of the successive seven GOD's Trumpets.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Conditional vs unconditional prophecies

    In general; there is a set series of events that are going to consume the time period known as "Jacob's trouble" ( Jeremiah 30:7).

    The incense of the prayers of the saints which encompass the initial scene in Revelation 5:8 prior to the seal judgments; and Revelation 8:3-4 (in that case before the Trumpet Judgments) show a sort of collective mass of prayers; either reflecting directly the persecutions on the earth at the time; or answering Millennia old prayers of saints long since forgotten by man; but held by God. (see Psalm 56:8).

    Because of this; we see a difference in prophetic utterances such as Acts 21:10; and Acts 11:27-28. Such utterances indicate that the choices made (i.e. Paul heading straight to Jerusalem; preparing for a famine) certainly make these things conditional.

    In Revelation it is generally structured indicating great events with associated signs and wonders that are already designed and predicted in detail. However; as with anything else there is latitude apparently for the two prophets to cause things as they wish in regard to droughts; etc. ( Rev. 11:6). Undoubtably some details are not straightforward (such as which part of the world the 1/4 die in the seal judgments). Safe to say it ain't going to be a fun time here on planet earth; that's for sure.

    Looking at the Second Coming of Christ; no doubt great deception will occur with multitudes of false prophets at the time of the end. Antichrist Himself will basically act as a substitute for Christ; and will be the only man other than Judas Iscariot to be doomed to perdition. ( John 17:12; 2 Thess. 2:3). God will use him to make rulers agree to submit to his authority; as well as destroying the false "Mystery Babylon" which encompasses all the world's false religions sort of rolled into one. ( Revelation 18:17).

    There are suspect individuals that certainly match many characteristics of such an individual. More in next post.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
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    If we could continue Jimbob & thanks again for the questions. I see you have your time fully occupied with other responses, so any delay in replying here is understood.

    I've never heard that expression used: "the harvest of the church", though certainly, "the rapture of the Church". As mentioned, Rev 14:13 states, "Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from HENCEFORTH: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them". I understand that, as pertaining to those who die under anti-Christ's rule (those who refuse his Mark, unlike those who accept it: Rev 14:9-11). "Henceforth", I believe means 'from this time forward'. Hence there must have been those who "died in the Lord" before this time, but those are not referred to here, because they are not here, only those who are commonly referred to as 'tribulation saints'. And so in verses 14-20, the command given to Jesus that the time had come to 'thrust in his sickle' (so the full reaping had to commence). But verses 18-20 speak of another angel who thrust in his sickle - and this was the gathering of those fit for God's Wrath (of destruction). Since parts of the revelation given to John are not necessarily in chronological order, we read that more plagues are to come to men in Revelation chapters 15 &16; maybe a description of the torment leading up to Jesus' & the angelic work of chapter 14:14-20.

    When we read Revelation chapter 7, I take note of the whole chapter to keep it in context. When the angel (in verse 2) holding the seal appears (presumably the seventh Seal of Revelation 8:1), God's servants were sealed; & these were numbered at 144,000 of the tribes of Israel (you may as some others, understand this great crowd differently). So these form that great multitude (v9), with the other "nations, kindreds, peoples & tongues", to have survived the anti-Christ pogrom (since they "came out of great tribulation"). This paragraph continued on Page 2.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you Jimbob for taking the time to pore through my submission, though I'm sorry that you weren't able to see what I see in the Scriptures. From the many other views we get on this subject, we see that we all can have our different Scriptures that show us how we should perceive these last days.

    Even the Revelation 14:14-16 passage you quoted, referring to the harvest being the Church; if this is the Rapture, why then did the Church have to experience the previous judgements of God (in Revelation 6:1-17: Seal Judgements; Revelation 8:1-9:21: Trumpet Judgements). These can't be the ordinary, everyday turmoils that Earth's inhabitants face, but specific Judgements from God and then the sickle is struck for the harvesting (& of course, some are cast into the winepress of God's Wrath).

    So brother, I don't want to continually rehash the earlier passages we've written about, as clearly we read these prophetical messages differently. My understanding is that the Great Tribulation of seven years (the last week seen in Daniel's prophecy), which includes God's Wrath in its various phases & intensities, will come after the Church is removed; even as promised to the Philadelphian Church in Revelation 3:10.

    The anti-Christ (at least at the beginning of his reign of terror to his opponents), & the beginning of God's Judgements ( Revelation 6,8,9), assure our hearts that the Rapture of the Church can happen suddenly, without any signs to prepare for that day. The call is for our expectant joyous living & readiness now, as even the early Church was to urged to expect ( Philippians 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:6; Titus 2:13; James 5:8; Revelation 1:3) - not for our awakening when things begin to get very difficult in the course of the final seven years. The call was always for believers' readiness - we couldn't be in such a state if we know that much more needs to happen before the Lord's Coming/Rapture of the Church - death might overtake most of us before then.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Chris:

    The seventh seal is the RESURRECTION.

    Revelation 8:1 and when the seventh seal was opened, that was silence in heaven for half and hour

    Symbolic of the 50 days from Passover to pentecost.

    Many are called; FEW are chosen, Christ is the passover lamb, all will be saved from death and the grave, only the THIRD PART; have a part in the first resurrection, and never see death, and will be in the presence of God until the second resurrection, that time is the 1000 year reign, we join the other workers in the vineyard as we are called at different times of the day, the DAY OF THE LORD, now 2000 years. the 1000 are as a DAY.

    God Bless YOU!

    The spirit that was poured out on that THIRD PART are the ones of the house of JUDAH

    Psalms 60:7 ....Judah is my lawgiver ....his JUDGES ...

    Psalms 108:8 ....Judah is my lawgiver ......

    Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet .....
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I'm sorry Ruby, I don't see the connection with what I wrote on this point of the "Lake of Fire" & what you wrote (quoting Scriptures), on the 'third part of....'. Revelation 8:7-12, for example, speaks about a third part of trees, grass, sea, fish, ships, rivers, waters, sun, moon & stars being affected at the opening of the seventh Seal, a time when the Wrath of God is poured upon the whole Earth.

    Whereas the OT Scriptures you gave allude to Israel's captivity & suffering through it & their restoration (even a third part of them) when they will say "The LORD is my God". Israel is yet to be refined, as passing through God's Fire ( Zechariah 13:9), but it won't be through the Lake of Fire, reserved as the final judgement of eternal torment to all who reject God, where even death & hell will finally be destroyed ( Revelation 20:10-15).

    The 'refining fires' of God can come to all us, according to His Will & Purposes for our lives, but at the end, only the Lake of Fire, unlike any other disciplinary measure, will be the ultimate ruin of wicked man & spirit. To make the Lake of Fire (& you haven't suggested this in your comment now), as a refining work to eventually restore all mankind to a state of full spiritual healing & bliss, is totally inconsistent to biblical teaching & correct hermeneutics.
  • Ruby Lea Read - 1 year ago
    REVELATION IS SYMBOLIC

    Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon man a great HAIL out of heaven, each stone about the weight of a talent (a talent weighs about 57 pounds): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the HAIL; for the plague thereof was very great.

    Since Revelation is symbolic, what is this a symbol of:

    We have to go to the prophets:

    Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one ....who is this MIGHTY and STRONG ONE? ..... it is JESUS, the WORD OF GOD ......which as a tempest of HAIL and a DESTROYING STORM ......the HAIL in Revelation is symbolic of the WORD OF GOD, and his words are going to DESTROY ALL DECEPTION FROM THE CARNAL MIND of his people.

    Revelation 9:17 And I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat upon them, having breastplates of FIRE, and of JACINTH, and BRIMSTONE, and the heads of the horses were as heads of lions; and out of their mouths ISSUED FIRE and smoke and BRIMSTONE.

    Revelation 9:18 And by these three were a THRID PART OF MAN KILLED, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the BRIMSTONE, which issued out of their mouth.

    This is symbolic, you can contain PHYSICAL fire and brimstone in ones mouth.

    Isaiah 30:33 ...for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large; the pile thereof is FIRE and much wood; the BREATH OF THE LORD, like a stream of BRIMSTONE, doth kindle it.

    Ezekiel 5:2 ...though shall burn a THIRD PART .....

    Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall take thereof a FEW ......

    Ezekiel 5:4 .....and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire: for thereof (those destroyed in the fire) SHALL A FIRE COME FORTH ino all the house of Israel.

    Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the FIRE ......

    Revelation 8:7 And the third part of the trees were burnt up .....

    Isaiah 9:5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood, but this (battle) shall be with BURNING and fuel of fire.

    Isaiah 9:19 .... people shall be the fuel of the fire
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 10 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 10:1-4 is the instruction concerning the prophecy of the thunders. And we have the description of the angel in Verses 1 through 3. Daniel 10:21 and Ezekiel 1:28 can be referenced.

    Many of these characteristics and descriptions are descriptions of Christ from Chapter 1.

    Many have thought, especially Jehovah's Witnesses, because it says a mighty angel, that Jesus is not God, and that He's just an angel.

    But there's some differences here taken with this small scroll. What is this small scroll? It is the property deed to the earth.

    In the first line it says, and I saw another mighty angel. The word another, and there's two different words in the Greek text for another, another of the same kind, or another of a different kind.

    This is another of the same kind, making reference to Revelation 8:3, another mighty angel.

    There are only two angels in the bible that are called mighty angels. Back in the book of Daniel Chapters 7 through 12, we have Gabriel, and we have Michael.

    Michael is the archangel. He's the head angel and he usually has to do with the business of the nation Israel. And he's constantly at war with Satan concerning the things of Israel.

    And Gabriel is a messenger. We especially see him at the announcement of the birth of Christ.

    So this has to be one or the other, either Michael, or Gabriel, that has come down from heaven, clothed in a cloud and a rainbow about his head. And all of this tells us that he comes in the authority of Christ. He had a rainbow upon his head, his face as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire, and he had this small book.

    As for the thunders, I believe it is making reference to Gods voice coming down from heaven. Revelation 4:5 and Psalm 18:13 causes me to believe that these thunders are the voice of God.

    Hope this helps!
  • T Levis - In Reply on Luke 1 - 1 year ago
    Luke 1:5-23,

    Leviticus 8:33-36, Exodus 30:1-10, 2Chronicles 2:4, Revelation 8:4,

    Numbers 16:46,47, 1Chronicles 6:49, Exodus 29:36,37,

    Isaiah 1:11-20, Romans 5, Hebrews 10,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Revelation 8:1.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Leviticus 4 - 1 year ago
    Amen Jacqui.

    And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

    And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

    Revelation 8:3-4.

    Go's bless.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 8 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 7.

    We need to consider the conditions that will be in effect; therefore once this mark is finally enforced compared to today. There are many that will decry injustices of the rich and proud of the earth; and in the right spirit; rightly so as we see warnings in the book of James for those who hoard gold and silver as well as cheat others in the last days. Many of these who speak out against society hardly work a day of their lives and live in ivory towers; giving a portion of excess wealth much as the Pharisees to look good. Some don't; my point is that those privileged in America; for example will find things far different as much of the developed world right after the Rapture; which comes on a day we don't expect like the days of Noah or Sodom and Gomorrah. After that event there will be mass starvation and as my earlier posts stated war; famine and pestilence. My point here is that those who think that the earth in that compromised a state will offer any utopia compared to the promises the Antichrist will offer in the first seal timeframe will not be a very convincing message for taking the mark to avoid starvation. It appears more of a "red herring" to offer the little that remains to the wicked; to the righteous at that point they will either be in hiding protected by God or quickly martyred and disposed of by the Antichrist beast system. At that point too; Satan will have used the 10 nation allies to burn the woman with fire ( Rev. 17:16). That woman will be the false Babylon "whore" world religion.

    Satan demands and desires worship only for himself; the world will be so enamored with his apparent resurrection that they will all believe the Lie ( 2 Thess. 2:11). This will be the point where men will stop fearing God and hiding from him; and outright blaspheme (curse) His name as their leader will do. Therefore; it is worship of his image that causes them to take the mark; which could be an injection of DNA from the beast to be immortal
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 8 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 7 commentary.

    Once again here; we see incense of the prayers of the saints going up (verse 3) before judgment of God commences--in this case the trumpet judgments; and the first the seals.

    This indicates either after the spirits of those martyred (great multitude) or translated (2 Prophets/144,000) in the previous chapter that were praying and/or those already in heaven (us). This fascinating insight reveals that even though God's judgments were predetermined proportionate to sins committed; in time and space when the offenses reach a pinnacle they are sort of triggered by prayers of the saints. This interaction shows how even now with Christ as high Priest ever interceding for the saints ( Heb. 4:14-16) that there is always an interplay between Him and His Body; the church and all saints. I should also note the silence in heaven after the seventh seal with no apparent judgment but intersection into the next series of judgments is a sort of ceremonial procession preceding the main event where there is perhaps a brief event honoring the multitude that just arrived in heaven who "no man can number" ( Rev. 7:9).

    The rest of the chapter from verse 7 onward describes the first four trumpets. We see the repeated pattern of a "third" of things being destroyed which certainly can be a not so veiled message to the third of the angels that fell and are about to be cast down to earth from heaven after these events. That; and those demons released from UNDER the earth (likely offspring from Nephilim and/or other fallen beings that were given special early imprisonment under the earth for extra sins) will all show how things will get even worse as the angel warns in verse 13.

    It would appear that until the 5th trumpet; the 2 prophets hold back things. Once the beast comes out of the pit and enters Antichrist; many will have already died.
  • PROPHECIES - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother Alex, Revelation 5

    Six seals (of the BOOK of life) were all opened, beginning with Christ ministry in the flesh and ending with his death and resurrection.

    Between the sixth seal ( Revelation 6:12-17 Christ's death and resurrection) and the seventh seal ( Revelation 8:1 pentecost) there was silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; 45 days.

    No activity (silence) of the Holy Ghost, for 45 days, from resurrection to pentecost.

    The seventh seal was open at pentecost with the out pouring of the Holy Ghost.

    Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be take away, and the abomination that maketh desolate BE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    42 months; three and a half years, Christ's ministry in the flesh.

    Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth (for the seventh seal), and cometh to the one thousand three hundred five and thirty days.

    1335 minus 1290 equals 45 days: passover till feast of the first fruits ..... Pentecost .....Christ second coming and minstry as the Holy Ghost.

    May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear.

    God Bless you.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 2 years ago
    Jimmy,

    Here's some things I would like to share with you. Revelation 8:6 to Chapter 11 Verse 19 gives us the description of the 7 trumpets. Revelation 8:7 is the first trumpet. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood. It's becoming very intense! And they were cast upon the earth: and 1/3 of the trees was burnt up, as well as the grass, or green vegetation.

    Only 1/3 of the trees was burnt up, so any grass that was below those trees would burn also. That would be 1/3 of the grass in that area. To make sense of Revelation 9:4, we would have to believe that not all grass on the entire earth was burnt up because it tells us the locusts were commanded not to hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing or any tree.

    Here's what fascinates me. Why would God command these locusts not to hurt the green vegetation? It's because these things are the locusts' natural food. These locusts would quickly die out without the vegetation to sustain them, and God's plan was for them to live and torment those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

    Revelation 9:5 says that they were to torment them for five months. Something else that's interesting is why five months? Well, five months is the actual lifespan of a locust, from May through December.

    As for Revelation 22:18-19, Verse 18 is basically telling us that there are no more "new prophecies" after the book of Revelation. Anyone adding more is adding to the book. Revelation 22:19 says "if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life."

    Please notice that it doesn't say the book of the Lamb. God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. We don't want to take away from the book of Revelation and make it be something else rather than what it is. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

    I hope this helps!
  • ELB - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Sister Suze:

    Revelation 8:9 And the THIRD PART of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the THIRD PART of the SHIPS were destroyed.

    Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, which thou hast made to play therein.

    Isaiah 27:1 In that the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword (the word of God) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan, that crooked serpent, and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

    Revelation 13:10 And he that leadeth into captivity, shall go into captivity, and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

    Revelation 20:4 .....and the souls (mines of flesh) that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus .....

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Sister Suze:

    Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast in to the sea, and a THIRD PART of the sea became blood.

    Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore setteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of a mountain made without hands ....

    Hebrews 12:22 But you are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, and unto a company of innumerable angels.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits, his ministers a flaming fire.

    Exodus 7:17 Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shall know that I am the LORD, Behold, I will smite with the rod that is in thine hand the waters (peoples, nations) that are in the river, and they shall turn into blood.

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - 2 years ago
    Sister Suze:

    Revelation 8:7 And the first angel sounded, And there followed hail mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and a THIRD PART of the trees were burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up.

    Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one (Christ), which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, and a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to earth with his hand.

    Psalms 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hailstones and coals of fire.

    Psalms 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens (in us), and the Highest gave his voice, hailstones and coals of fire.

    Psalms 148:8 Fire, and hail; snow and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

    Ezekiel 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the LORD God; Behold I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming fire shall not be quenched, and all faces from the north to the south shall be burned therein.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    God Bless you!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:3-37,

    Note : Matthew 24:8, Matthew 24:7, Matthew 24:21-24, these are Jesus Words, Matthew 24:29, " Immediately after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31,

    Please note: these all also recorded as Jesus Words : Mark 13:23, Mark 13:24-27, " But in those days after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall togather his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

    Revelation 6, note Revelation 6:10-11, Revelation 8, see Revelation 8:3-4, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, Note: Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11, Please notice: Revelation 11:15-19,

    1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5:1-10, 2Thessalonians 1:4-10, Please note: this was written after 1Thessalonians to clarify : 2Thessalonians 2, Please read: 2Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

    2Peter 2:9,

    Jesus Words again, praying for all believers: John 17, notable : John 17:15 " I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

    Hopefully helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Acts 8 - 2 years ago
    Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

    Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

    Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

    Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

    Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

    Hope these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Mark 16:15 - 2 years ago
    Revelation 8, - Revelation 9, - Revelation 10, note there are 7 angels with seven trumpets Revelation 8:2-6, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th angels "sounded" their trumpets in Rev. 8, Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, & warns of the final 3. Revelation 8:13, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

    The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,

    1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,

    1Thessalonians 1:9,10, 1Thessalonians 2:19, John 17, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5, 2Thessalonians 1, 2Thessalonians 2, 2Timothy 2, 2Timothy 3, 2Timothy 3:12, 2Timothy 4:1-8, Titus 2:13-15, 2Peter 2:4-9, 2Peter 3:9-18,

    Hopefully these are helpful to this discussion
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sister GiGi, every Word God has ever spoken WILL COME TO PASS.

    This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to understand, and believe, MOSSES and THE PROPHETS.

    The Spirit of Christ prophesied that ONLY ONE THIRD (vessels of honour) of creation would be CALLED in this age of GRACE (the DAY OF THE LORD).

    Ezekiel 5:1 .....then take three balances and weigh, and DIVIDE the hair ....( Revelation 6:5-6)

    Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn the THIRD PART in the midst of the city ....(you are the new Jerusalem of God)

    Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall also take thereof a FEW IN NUMBER, and bind them in thy skirts ( Psalms 133:2).

    Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them (the few) and cast them into the FIRE ( Malachi 3:2-3), and burn them (the few) in the FIRE; for thereof (the few) shall a FIRE ( Psalms 104:4) COME FORTH unto the House of Israel (you are the TRUE house of Israel).

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob (Jacob was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) SHALL BE A FIRE, and the house of Joseph (Joseph was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) shall be a flame, and the house of ESAU for stubble ..

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon Mount Zion, to judge the mount of ESAU; and the KINGDOM (of GOD)(CHRIST IN YOU) shall be the Lord's.

    Zechariah 13:09 And I WILL bring the THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE ..

    Revelation 8:7 ... and there followed HAIL and FIRE .....

    Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord (the Father ) hath a strong and might one (CHRIST), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm ....

    Isaiah 28:17 ..and the HAIL shall sweep away the refuge of lies ..

    Revelation 8:8 ...as it were a great mountain BURNING WITH FIRE ...

    Daniel 2:35 ...and the stone (CHRIST) that smote THE IMAGE (of the beast)( Revelation 13:15) became a great mountain (Mount Zion) ...

    Revelation 9:18 By these three was a THIRD PART of man killed, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the BRIMSTONE, WHICH ISSUED of there MOUTH.

    The LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE comes out of the MOUTH, THE FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ARE THE WORD'S OF GOD.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 20 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 10:29-34,

    Revelation 8:8-9, Hosea 4:1-19, vrs. 3, 2 Esdras 5:1-13,
  • T.Levis - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 3:1,13, Revelations 1:7,8, Genesis 3:15,

    Serpent : Genesis 3:1, Revelation 12:15,

    Revelations 2:9-13, Revelations 2:24, Revelations 12:4, Revelations 12:9, Revelations 20:2, Revelations 17:18,

    Deception : Genesis 3:1,13, Genesis 3:15, Revelations 20:7-8,

    Tree of Life: Genesis 3:22,24, Revelations 2:7, Revelation 2:21-22,

    Judgement: Genesis 3:17-24, Revelations 20:10,12-15, Revelations 14:8-11, Revelations 19:15,

    GOD casting out: Genesis 3:24, Revelations 12:9, Revelations 2:5, Revelations 3:16, Revelations 12:13, Revelations 20:3, Revelations 19:20, Revelations 22:19,

    Angels, Cheribs & others obeying GOD: Revelation 8:2-13, Revelations 14:6-9,15-20, Revelations 16, Revelations 19:3-6, Revelations 4:10,

    Redemption : Revelations 18:4, Revelations 21:6,27, Revelations 22:14,17, Revelations 5:9, Revelations 7:14, Revelations 20:6, Revelations 14:1-5, Revelations 12:10, Revelations 3:5, Revelations 3:12,

    Another place of dwelling : Revelations 20:10, Revelations 21:2,

    Hopefully these help
  • WHAT HAPPENS TO GRASS AND TREES - In Reply on Psalms 1 - 2 years ago
    BOOK OF REVELATION

    Revelation 9:4 | View whole chapter

    And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

    Revelation 8:7 | View whole chapter

    The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

    2 PETER 3:10

    It's all going to burn up. There is no surviving and rebuilding. The earth will be no more. For a thousand years. It will be created new again, as it was in the Garden of Eden. No sin. No sickness. No death. Only joy.

    The Bible says MAKE A CHOICE. LIFE OR DEATH. NOW.

    If the CAUGHT UP (Rapture) takes place before your doubting eyes it will be too late to make that choice. Be at peace with your choice now.

    Find out for yourself what the Bible says. Every Walmart on earth has one.

    Matthew 24

    Luke 21

    2 Peter 3

    Revelation
  • Sheila Davis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I agree, many have thought for years that the church will be taken away pre-tribulation. Recent years churches have -some Churches have began to re-evaluate the rapture doctrine, some have decided the church will go throught tribulation. scripture clearly states at the last trump_ 1st Corinthians 15:52. The last trump according to Revelation 8:7 the mysteries of God shall be finished & 11:15 the kingdoms of this world are now become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ.

    1st Thessalonians chapter 4:14 -18 states those that are alive and remain ... remain from what?

    2nd Thessalonians 2:1 tells us that day shall not come by any means except there be a falling away first and that man of sin, the son of perdition be revealed.

    Besides that until the 1800s(?) the rapture wasn't taught. Margaret McDonald and John Darby seemingly are responsible for it being taught.

    Blessing
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 8 - 2 years ago
    Jon, trumpets don't keep time, they are the voice of God.

    Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great VOICE, as of a TRUMPET.

    Revelation 4:1 .... an the first VOICE I heard was as if it were a TRUMPET talking with me ....
  • Jon Casper on Revelation 8 - 2 years ago
    Revelation Chapter's 8 & 9 comprise a section of the Bible that readers have little scope of. The first 4 trumpets in Chapter 8, were wars fought throughout modern history. They are briefly brushed over because the last 3 trumpets, 5, 6 & 7, in Chapter 9, count as cataclysmic. Trumpets keep time.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jamie, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the sixth seal....

    Jesus is telling (not literally) the saints in the Old testament (those described in Hebrews 11) to wait a while longer and they would be glorified at his resurrection.

    Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    This fulfils the prophecy in:

    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD come.

    The DAY OF THE LORD came when Christ was crucified and resurrected.

    Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour was there darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.

    Matthew 27:51 ...And the earth did quake ....

    John 19:34 ....And forthwith came there out blood...

    Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the (old Testament) saints which slept AROSE,

    Matthew 27:53 And came out of the grave after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem), and appeared to many.

    This is the one hundred and forty four thousand that are sealed in Revelation 7.

    Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

    This fulfils the prophecy in:

    Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Christ replaced it with his death) and the abomination that maketh DESOLATE (Jesus had to become your life) set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (42 months, Christ ministry on earth).

    Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    There was 45 days of silence between Christ Resurrection and Pentecost then the Holy Spirit was poured out on man (Christ second coming).


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