Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Ann Bowling on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Where does the teaching of eve having sex with Satan come from?
  • Dianne - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Ann People reading into things what God calls in Romans 1 The imaginations of men, once individuals meaning myself also start going down the road I think it means this or that, it begins a slippery slope, in the temptations in luke Satan said to Jesus Christ If Thou Be The Son Of God, Jesus Christ Had no doubt Who He Was Or The Power and Authority He Had but if He would have Questioned or Doubted, we would never been redeemed. Alsp notice His Reply on all points, which should be our reply It Is Written. My perspective.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    My advise is that you wipe out those thoughts with the Blood of Jesus. ANY VOICE that ACCUSES God of impropriety, is Satans Voice. Anyone that attempts to mislead others, is a demonic mouthpiece.

    Let it go. Stay in here and learn scripture and Truth. Truth is a person; Jesus.

    "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life. No one comes to the Father, but by ME."
  • Dianne - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Ann you are correct it isn't there I've read interpretations where that happened in eden, but if I can't read it I'm not buying it. Just saying.
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Hello, that's not in the Bible. You can read Genesis and confirm this with your own eyes. That's just a lie someone made up. God bless.
  • OSEAS - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    ADAM

    What does the Word of GOD say?

    There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7:

    6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day).

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

    John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation: John 3:v.10-12

    10 In this the children of GOD are manifest,and the children of the DEVIL:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD,neither he that loveth not his brother.

    11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,that we should love one another.

    12 Not as Cain,who was of that wicked one(WHO WAS OF THE DEVIL, called SATAN),and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him?Because his own works were evil,and his brother's righteous.

    And JESUS said to the Jews: John 8:44-45

    41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER.Then said they to JESUS,We be not born of fornication;we have one Father,even GOD.

    42 Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER,ye would love me:for I proceeded forth and came from GOD;neither came I of myself,but He sent me.

    43 Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.

    44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL,and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat.23:33- Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Oseas, thanks for sharing your scripture and your interpretation of it. Yes, I read the scripture and believe it, but it does not say Eve had sex with satan. It is absolutely not there and not even close in my opinion.

    It appears your primary source from which you hinge your theory is Jude 1:6-7. I encourage you to search 'What is the strange flesh in Jude 1:7?' on GotQuestions website. They did a thorough breakdown of this which I agree with.

    I think the strange flesh in verse 7 is the unnatural homosexual behavior that took place within Sodom and Gomorrah, not relations with angels. Of course there was a visit from 2 angels there that the men wanted to have relations with, but they didn't know they were angels. Genesis 6:2-4. HEBREWS 13:2.

    Secondly, the example of Jude 1:4-7 points out that God will punish those who disobey and deviate from God's plan for them.

    Third, yes, the Bible has metaphors. Example: John 6:56. Eat flesh and drink blood. Have you literally given into cannibalism and eaten Jesus? And is that what it means? No, it's a metaphor. The bread symbolized it. Isaiah 64:8 - are you literally clay? Ezekiel 34:31 - are we a flock of sheep? Here's a simile: Matthew 10:16. 'as' sheep, 'as' serpents, 'as' wolves, which explains it's symbolic. So, when Jesus or God called humans satan were they actually satan or acting like satan? Jesus called Peter satan: Matthew 4:1. So, does that mean Peter was acting like satan or WAS satan? If he literally was satan why then did Jesus forgive him? Peter said he loved Jesus 3 times. Does satan love Jesus?

    The other 2 verses you posted seem to serve confirmation bias for your theory, as they are general and are only used to reinforce the original misinterpretation.

    God bless...
  • OSEAS - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    ADAM

    Adam

    In my post that you replied I only ask: What does the Word of GOD say?

    I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures. I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of GOD.

    GOD weigheth the spirits in balances. Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all, and what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth- John 3:v.31-32 .

    Before or face the Word of GOD, the source you suggest for me to search is straw, it is insignificant, the witness of GOD is greater, understand? For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.

    1 Cor.2:v.11 - What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. GOD has made ministers not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Dear osas,

    I'm going to kindly point out a contradiction in your words.

    You wrote: "I did not make any comment on Scriptures I quoted in my post, because Scriptures explains Scriptures."

    But in your comment you wrote this explanation: "There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in..."

    Then in the same comment you wrote: "John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation"

    It seemed your major point was that you were *only* sharing scripture and not your own interpretation, but the only problem with that point is you did insert your own interpretation, not just once, but twice. Also, cherry picking scripture in itself in response to a point shows your own interpretation, because you used only limited selections of scripture.

    You also wrote: "Your thinking and argument is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective."

    How do you and only you claim to know God's perspective? You just completely made up something not even in the Bible- that eve had relations with satan and had kids, which is totally outrageous and not found in the Bible- only in your own head.

    Your claim was refuted by scripture. You used 4 references that you misinterpreted and I shared 9 scripture references that refuted your interpretation.

    Scripture debunked your own claim. God bless...
  • Dianne - In Reply on Luke 3 - 2 years ago
    Adam Sir there is something I've learned at times about myself and others, a man convinced against His Will is of the same opinion still, i.e. Or we will think and convince ourselves to be dead right and be dead wrong. This applies to anything.
  • Sacha - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Adam for taking the time and having the patience that I don't have .
  • Dianne - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Osseas why do you attack or condemn other individuals beliefs, is everything your sharing absolute. Do you expect all others to agree to what you see Biblically. This is for Bible comments I thought, not if you don't believe this or that your going to ----. Just saying. God Bless
  • OSEAS - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    DIANNE

    According Proverbs 27:v.6, Faithful are the wounds of a friend or of the one who loves, than the kisses of the one who uses deceit.

    James 5:v.19-20KJV

    19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    1Peter 4:v.17-18KJV

    17 For the time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of GOD: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

    May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

    Amen
  • Dianne - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Oseas My last perspective spiritually jesus Christ said judge not for thall shalt be judged also, not to go finding faults in others but check your first, also there is none good but God, these are scripture to. Over and out
  • Sacha - In Reply on Luke 3 - 3 years ago
    Dianne , well said and Amen .
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    (She's different from Ann Boleyn) For Ann Bowling, the girl that died on TV 1989 in Tienanmen Square

    Roger Waters:

    In Tienanmen Square lost my baby there

    My yellow rose in her bloodstained clothes

    She was a short order pastry chef

    In a Dim Sum dive on the Yangtze tideway

    She had shiny hair, she was the daughter of an engineer

    Won't you shed a tear

    For my yellow rose

    My yellow rose

    In her bloodstained clothes

    She had perfect breasts

    She had high hopes

    She had almond eyes

    She had yellow thighs

    She was a student of philosophy

    Won't you grieve with me

    For my yellow rose

    Shed a tear

    For her bloodstained clothes

    She had shiny hair

    She had perfect breasts

    She had high hopes

    She had almond eyes

    She had yellow thighs

    She was the daughter of an engineer.....

    And in the spring of '48

    Mao Tse-tung got quite irate

    And he kicked that old dictator Chiang

    Out of the state of China

    Chiang Kai-shek came down in Formosa

    And they armed the island of Quemoy

    And the shells were flying across the China Sea

    And they turned Formosa into a shoe factory

    Called Taiwan

    And she is different from Cro-Magnon man

    She's different from "Ann Bo Ling"

    She is different from the Rosenbergs

    And from the unknown Jew

    She is different from the unknown Nicaraguan

    Half superstar half victim

    She's a victor star conceptually new

    And she is different from the Dodo

    And from the Kankanbono

    She is different from the Aztec

    And from the Cherokee

    She's everybody's sister

    She's symbolic of our failure

    She's the one in fifty million

    Who can help us to be free

    Because she died on T.V.
  • Sacha - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Gertrude , how do you feel about the music of Warren Zevon ?
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  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear sweet Sacha,

    Warren was one of my favorite singers.

    I've seen him a dozen times up close.

    I'd like to meet James Taylor.
  • Sacha - In Reply - 3 years ago
    We love Warren ,all his songs are from the heart , that's the difference between a good song and a great song , looking forward to meeting you one day Gertrude , in the not too distant future I hope !
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sacha,

    This is a public service announcement:

    He's a hairy handed gent, who ran a muck in Kent (England)

    Lately he's been overheard at Sacha's
  • Sacha - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hahaha , I have to go , my rides here .
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Sacha,

    If the German's would have won WWII, they would have told tall tails of how evil and sinister the Yanks and Brits were. Propaganda how Saddam poisoned a dog 24/7 so the MIC can profit. Before you know it, the 'European killing Jews' industry is born. What ever they say, goes.

    The Americans and Brits fire-bombed Dresden 7 days straight. Why did Hiro/Nag look like Dresden? Compare pictures, they have hundreds of people walking through ground 0, and no radiation!!! It only took 2 years to rebuild. Did Japan agree to end the war and fake a nuclear strike?
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    OASEAS IS A GOOD NAME FOR YOU, on an island to yourself with a strange Bible. These words help me from jumping out the window like a banker.

    "What does the Word of GOD say? There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day)."

    Jude 6 is not speaking of the Lord's day, nor the day of the Lord; this is the last battle is known as:( Revelation 16:14) "....the battle of that great day of God Almighty." It is the same last battle before seventh trumpet judgment as promised to the OT saints in white robes. ( Revelation 6:11) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. And alas ( Revelation 11:12) And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

    "7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE."

    Thank you for leading me to Jude. The angels didn't fornicate in the garden of EDEN, angles have no genitalia. Also, I would like for you to take notice, and tell president Bide to stop DACA because it's evil, says so in the Bible.

    ( Jude 1:8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
  • Mishael - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Your last comments, Gertrude, I'm with you. Bad as it is, the USA taxpayers cannot make dreams come true with empty pockets.

    There is so much happening at once, there is no way people can say Jesus is not coming for His Church...His Bride, soon.

    Hang in there, praise and worship our Glorious Jesus more. He's taking Center Stage sooner than we try to calculate. If HE doesn't post it on Twitter or Facebook,

    Let's be wise enough to be found doing what he told us to do. Matthew 25

    God loves you and so do I
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mishael,

    Thank you for your inspiring words, but I am not a fanatic to believe supernatural things not promised. It can never be so, that's cheating Hebrews 9:27. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is a shame it's written so poorly and in conflict with other scriptures. People also believe in a pre-sixth trump rapture, which is impossible. It's safe to say that both resurrections are conflated. so faith is on you.

    I cherish the firstfruits, the 144k saints out of the great tribulation and symbolically featured in heaven. These are the ones Jesus has chosen as His bride. Why would Jesus sully the wedding to those not worthy? Even though there's a case for a lifting up, the #'s would require more accommodations, hence the new heaven and new earth, hence the rest can wait for the 2nd resurrection.

    I have lots of questions about what happens between the seventh trumpet and thousand years.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Gertrude,

    Sorry to intrude on your conversation, but if you don't mind me asking, I have a few questions. Are you saying that those who believe in a rapture are fanatics and are cheating Hebrews 9:27? Secondly, if 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is written so poorly and in conflict with other scripture, how would you re-write that verse? If scripture is in conflict with other scripture, why should we even trust the bible at all? Are there other conflicting scriptures that you are aware of? I've had someone tell me before that the bible is full of contradictions. I don't agree with that. You say that both resurrections are conflated? How so? Also, are you saying that Jesus' bride consists of only 144K? If I'm not mistaken, the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that. Is that your belief also? Lastly, do you believe in a rapture at all?

    Sorry if this is a lot of questions, and I want to thank you in advance for your time!
  • Dianne - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Jesse Dianne one important point individuals miiss either its all Gods Word or its not, 2 Timothy 3:16+17, because in 2 Peter 1:20+21 Holy men spoke what holy spirit told them, i.e. Spirit From true God. To me John 12:44-50, also in psalms it states the Words of the lord are pure words, in Gospel of John Jesus Christ said He taught the disciples His fathers Words which are always true. Love this Stuff.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Dianne,

    First of all, Amen. I can't help but wonder sometimes. I think most would agree that the Bible is all God's word, cover to cover. I think the problem sometimes comes from piecing scripture together that shouldn't be pieced together. I myself have been guilty of that in the past and had to learn the hard way.

    I love 2 Timothy 3:16-17. The term inspiration of God is all one Greek word that means God breathed. All scripture is God breathed, and is profitable for four things: For doctrine. That's the system of the Christian faith. For reproof. This is a legal term that means to present proof to the court to bring about a conviction. For correction. This means to bring people and make them line up with the things of God. Correction is to get people back on the right track.

    And then for instruction in righteousness. The word instruction doesn't come from anything about teaching. In fact, it comes from the word discipline. It means to discipline children. So the word of God is profitable for disciplining people in righteousness. God through His word will bring conviction. And He will teach us the doctrines, especially of Paul, and of Christ.
  • Dianne - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jesse here's another one of my favorite scripture 2 Timothy 2:15 the word rightly divide is from the greek orthotomounta which means one way. I believe Gods telling us figure out what I mean not what you think I mean. Look at the context pf the scripture to leadership in the church.

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  • Dianne - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Cedrick hopefully we are trying to live up to Gods Standard, Im just another believer endeavoring to study.
  • Smug Christians - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Smug definition according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary: Having or showing the annoying quality of people who feel very pleased or satisfied with their abilities, achievements, etc.

    "I am just as learned as a Bible scholar from years of playing Bible Jeopardy. I run circles around the swift."

    With all due respect sir, your statement fits the definition of a "Smug Christian." But congrats on being the Bible Jeopardy champ!
  • Dianne - In Reply - 2 years ago
    To the smug Christians comment I've been taught people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care 1 Corinthians 13. Lets edify anybody can point finger and find fault , our adversary is the master at that.
  • Dianne - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Cedrick not at all I'm not interested in one up on knowledge as Paul wrote in 1 corinthians 13 knowledge puffeth up but love edifieth or builds up. Someone said to me one time people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. So lets build up.
  • Gertrude Hasmaris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Jesse,

    Please answer the questions you asked of me, first. Then I will have a better scope of your level.


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