Bible Discussion Thread

  • Alex1939 - 1 year ago
    Let me talk about the Children of the Kingdom for a Min....Jesus said the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom... Matthew 13:38...Which answers to that great Promise..That Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Which is the contents of that book in the fathers right hand...The seeds of the sower...Note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild which are the Children, mankinds fruit unto God... Romans 7 :4...WE ARE ALL gona be married to Christ then comes the Children of Promise...But had Jesus not spoken in parables the Children wd have been born then...But the fruit which is the wheat Cd not have been born unless they cd understood clearly the words the parables of OUR LORD....The Kingdom cannot be born till the woman is in birth pains which requires understanding that good seed the words of the book...The parables...It was hid from the wise and Prudent but only revealed unto babes n sucklings...That are able to worship God with perfect praise..Unlike us who are eat up with materialistic things..Thats y the New Creature is so important...They are baby Christ that are gonna be born is us sinners that are not taken with materialistic things...Jesus is their father simply b/c they can only be born in us via his seeds...Remember he breathe on them ( his words was his seeds his breath..And they were impregnated...Thats y he said b/c i have spoken these words Sorrows have filled your hearts...A spiritual pregnancy...The wheat is a baby Christ Simply b/c the sower of that good seed is Christ the bridegroom...thats y he is saying Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me...Jesus has to multiply himself with his incorruptible seed sown in our hearts when the time comes...Kings shall be your nursing Fathers and Queens shall be your nursing Mothers....Thats y he aways refers to himself as the Son of MAN....The world is gonna have a baby Christ...The Child is the H.G. The Promise...I Will multiply thy seed as the stars o heaven.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Alex,

    I am recovering from right hand surgery I had yesterday, so I need to rest my hand for a few days or so. I will get back to you when I can two -hand type again without pain.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Gigi!!

    Well stated, The Church is built on a rock!!

    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

    Isaiah 28:16.


    The Lord is going to judge his Church BUT the Church is not backed into a corner by the adversary screaming for help!

    Matthew 16:18 is not a picture of the Church on defense! It's hell needs the Gates.

    We march straight forward with the truth! THE WORD OF GOD.

    We're not of the world where we compromise it.

    We're separated and the Lord done the separating!

    And by his word the climax of victory shall be seen.

    I Love what you said! Christ is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH.

    How could someone supposedly having the Spirit of God come against it?

    If you have not the Spirit of God you're none of his.

    We're not all Brothern!

    The difference in the Gospels speaks for itself.

    If that sounds harsh listen to Paul in

    Galatians 1:6-10.

    I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

    Did Paul say let him be accursed?

    Lord help anyone else that says that!

    The scripture is to sharp!

    If I left out scripture and used secular definition here's what I come up with.

    IMPOSTER; a person who pretends to be someone else in order to deceive others, especially for fraudulent gain.

    I'll stick to scripture.

    God bless.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago

    May I add to the truths Alex has given you.

    Christ said flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God, you must be born again.

    This birth can not take place till this body of flesh dies, we can only come to truth of what God is going to fulfil.

    Christ said I am the way, the truth, and the LIFE, the LIFE in you is CHRIST, man will not die to themselves and believe this truth.

    You are the BODY OF CHRIST.

    Alex quoted you Revelation, he who lives by the sword, the sword is THE WORD OF GOD, Christ the WORD, the SEED is the WORD OF GOD, Christ is the SEED, the SEED is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, this is the LIFE in YOU, so he who lives by the sword must died by the sword, the WORD has to destroy deceptions, lies and falsehoods, all of these are born of Satan, your carnal mind.

    Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust (flesh and bone body) return to the dust it was, and the spirit shall return unto God that gave it ----your are BORN AGAIN.

    You are the BODY OF CHRIST, you do what the spirit causes you to do, Ezekiel 36:27, Philippians 2:13, your the body, the spirit of Christ (the SEED) is the LIFE.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (has the mind of Christ) doeth not commit sin (the body only does what the spirit of Christ causes it to do, 24/7); for his SEED (truth and life); remaineth in him (his body): and he cannot sin (thy will be done), because he is born of God.

    Jeremiah 51:19:24, Isaiah 41:15 ----God always uses man to do HIS WORK, Christ said of myself I can do nothing, he knew he was the body of the Father, he could only do what the spirit of the Father caused him to do, he said we can do nothing without him, we are only the body that the spirit of Christ uses to perform all his pleasure.

    Can you be angry and not sin? Christ was continually anger with the Pharisees, yet he was without sin, why, because he was only doing what the spirit caused him to do.

    God Bless You as we are driven to truth.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago

    You said "as we are driven to truth."

    Jesus told His disciples in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    We display him with HONESTY AND NO DECEPTION.

  • Sammi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Love , gentleness , peace and kindness , to you and everyone on here . We must be gentle and kind and forgiving towards each other and not quick to pounce on each other even if we think we have a right to do so , that would be our own pride speaking to us . When we think we see a fault in some one , remember to remove the plank of wood from our own eye first . We are all valuable on here , precious to our Saviour who is listening and watching always , he is our judge . Psalm 86 . Peace to you .
  • Sammi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    How can there be a deception if no one is deceived ? My friends told me not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ? I have female relatives who always say they are men in chat rooms etc , just to keep safe . Live and let live I think in these circumstances , people may have reasons that you , we , aren't aware of ? Peace to you brother .
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Sammi.

    You're referring to a reply of mine to "Ruby Lea Read?

    You stated Your friends told you not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ?


    The truth and deception could have easily been the message.

    I agree that the message is what's all important.

    As Paul said in Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"

    I feel we should take that approach also, With BOLDNESS!!

    Now concerning this doctrine, it is familiar.

    Recently presented by

    Earl Bowman.


    and Old man Wilson.

    Their beliefs were,

    There is no consequences to sin,

    There is no Hell.

    and we all will become God's.


    We are not saved from any wrath so there is no salvation.

    So this doctrine renders the Love of God shown in John 3:16 a mistake or unnecessary.

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    I hope my disagreeing to this ( no matter who is preaching it) doesn't bother you.

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Good Morning S. Spencer, Like Chris, I took your comment to mean that we are to show forth Jesus truthfully and with the knowledge of what Scripture reveals about Him. I did not think you were referring to any person posting on this site, especially not Sammi. May the Lord bring clarity to all here and repair what seems to have been damaged. Sorry this happened here.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Gigi.

    You're partially right.

    see my reply to Chris.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    My question

    "How did you know I was questioning the identity?

    wasn't a denial it was an act of surprise!

    It was nailed as tho he saw what I saw!

    It shouldn't have been upsetting, it was meant to ride under radar.

    God bless.
  • Sammi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I found your reply to me to be facetious and aggressive . I'm not sure what I said or did to provoke such a response from you . I do forgive you totally but don't wish any further communication between us .
  • Sammi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I knew what you were talking about because I've spent a lot of time reading the posts from as far back as two years ago , so I've become familiar with people's 'voices'. I wasn't aware that this site had strict doctrine rules that have to be adhered to ? I'm still not aware that that is the case . Is this a site run for and by a specific denomination or is it a site where people from all denominations can gather to discuss the Bible ? If we are perceived as being aggressive towards a fellow poster on here , how might that be perceived by people reading this site ? It may deter someone from coming on and asking us a question because they are afraid of being ridiculed or attacked . We mustn't just think of the conversation we are having but we must also remember that there could potentially be hundreds reading it .We must be gentle and respectful to everyone or we might alienate others without realising it , we won't know what we have done , but others will know .
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Indeed brother S. Spencer, that's the way I read your statement which said, "We display him with HONESTY AND NO DECEPTION", pertaining to the message & not the messenger. We cannot be critical of people's character, especially when we have no perception of them here, other than the name & message presented. But we can, and have every right to question (or ask for further detail with references) the message shared.

    I seldom get asked to elaborate on what I share but am always ready to support further what I write without harboring any unpleasant thoughts about the questioner. And this has been the case throughout the Bible, especially the NT where the apostles had to continually correct wrong teaching given, and when they knew particular ones in error, even name them. So what makes one person right & the other wrong? Nothing, except that both should carefully examine the Word & discuss the matter until the Truth is revealed. There are some things that may never be clear or convincing to another, but when doctrines of salvation, re-birth, heaven, hell, destiny of the soul, etc., are discussed, there is much in the Word that will direct us to a proper end. It would take much scriptural manipulations & contortions to pursue a belief that is clearly contrary to the revealed Word.

    Thanks brother for clarifying this important position that believers must take - standing against teachings contrary to the Truth, yet prepared to clearly defend one's position by searching the Scriptures.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Brother Chris.

    That msg I sent was supposed to be cryptic! And apparently it was!

    What is so astonishing is that yourself, Gigi, and Sammi is sort of correct.

    I was questioning the Identity.

    And I also was questioning the doctrine.

    That was my way of asking Ruby Lea "are you Earl Bowman?"

    The doctrine and style/dialog is Identical to Old man Wilson, Prophecy and Earls.

    If this message of salvation ends up where everyone is born again whether you believe or not, Why is it so important to press it at the point of changing Identity to do so?

    Our message has consequences!

    The message must be preached and one must believe!

    If I could pull off a Jacob to get it across I probably would.

    However there's no need for that for either.

    Now if this is "that doctrine" where EVERYONE is saved and become gods, THAT IS NOT TRUTH!

    God bless.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Spencer Gbu but you are in false doctrine...Simply b/c you fail to believe in the New Covenant that Jesus gave us at Calvary in his Blood...Remember the blood that New Covenant...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) I will draw ALL men unto me....And his father backs it up saying After thoses (2 Days 2 k yrs.) I will make a New Covenant NOT according to the Covenant that i made with their fathers...I WILL KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST...And their sins and iniquities will i remember no more...This New Covenant is all inclusive...Thats y Jesus is saying if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...And Jeremiah 30:6 He saw ALL MEN in travail and birth pains...Everybody is gona be bornagain of that incorruptible seed the contents of the book that Jesus wrote with his own blood...Thats y Joel said God was gonna pour out of his Spirit on ALL FLESH..IN 2:28...Your sons and daughter are gonna prophecy don't you see he wants the whole family...Everybody....What kind of a God wd save half a family...When Jesus fed the multitudes he fed everybody....he didn't cull not 1 person...He makes his rain and his son/sun to shine on everybody...And they shall ALL be taught of God...All...In Adam we all die but in CHRIST we will ALL live..ty Jesus

    Here is the kicker..We will all die according to our old adamic nature which is in rank with satan, mans carnal mind is the very enemy of God...But we will all live according to His blood...I will Draw ALL men unto me..That N.C

    The curse of Adam was applied to every man that every lived no exceptions...Thus the blessing and the blood of Christ Jesus has to be applied to everyman,....When they saw him on the Mount ALL of his raiment was white as snow...There is no fuller on earth that can whiten us sinners like his blood...And we are his raiment simply b/c he says i was naked in need of raiment and you clothe me ...And Isaiah said he wd stain ALL of his raiment...With his blood God so loved the world that he gave his only son.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Alex, Your doctrine of universal salvation regardless of belief or unbelief in Jesus and His work as well as your doctrine of God being born and replicated in us is what is in error.

    Refer to John 3:18-19 and Luke 13:3 (Jesus said to repent or perish)

    The Sciptures says that the Holy Spirit, Christ, and the Father all come to dwell within the believer, but all are not remade into baby gods in us, nor replicated in our human persons.

    Read Ephesians 2:22 and Ephesians 3:17

    John 14:17 and John 14:23

    God does not change, as in the Spirit being born in us as child that grows. Only Jesus was Incarnated, not the Holy Spirit.

    Read Psalm 102:27 and Hebrews 1:12 and Malachi 3:6

    Alex, I know that we have addressed these doctrines before, but I still believe that YOU are the one in direct opposition to the revealed Word of God.

    Bless you today, Alex. Always, love in Christ.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gi-Gi...I understand your position...Its the very same position of the Church World...And these things are hid from the wise and prudent ( Churchanity) ..But revealed unto babes and sucklings that are hid till the womans gives birth to the Children... Rev 12:10

    Gi Gi....Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the Children....These Children are spirits as Jesus said that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...They are the result of the sower and his seed the contents of the book,...That New Covenant in his blood...Unless you receive the Kingdom of GOD as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Thats y Jesus said the spirit of truth cannot speak of himself...Simply b/c he has to be BORN IN US...He is just a spiritual infant...And infants cannot speak for a while...As Gal 4 :1 says The heir as long as he is CHILD differs nothin from a servant tho he be LORD of ALL...Thats the H.G. that has to be born in us via the seed of Jesus...Thats y he has to know us in order to sow his incorruptible seed in our hearts...We cannot be bornagain of his incorruptible seed unless he knows us...Thats y he is saying b/c i have spoken these words ( his good seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts....A woman when she is in travail has sorrows but after the Child (the H.G.) comes her sorrows are turned into JOY...GiGi how can you not see this heavenly birth of a baby Christ via the seed of Christ....That was the great Promise I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven...Thus the babes and sucklings (Spirits) that are gona be born in us...Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN...Which is mankinds fruit unto God.. Romans 7:4 A Baby Christ...She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations which is that Spirit of truth that is gonna be born in us that cannot speak for a season simply b/c he is just a spirtual infant...ok lemme go. GBU Gi-Gi...I pray that God reveals his son in you which is H.G
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello again Alex, thanks for your response.

    I believe that the church got it right on this topic for the past 2000 years.

    Also, I believe that the kingdom began with the first advent of Jesus. He said to Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world."

    Therefore, it is a heavenly, spiritual kingdom in which He has been reigning since He completed His redemptive work and ascended to the Father to sit at His right hand, which is the "throne of David" spoken of by the prophets.

    Jesus will not usher in an earthly kingdom, in my opinion, as dispensationalists state, but His kingdom is heavenly, eternal, and nontemporal.

    As Paul says in 1 Tim. 6:15, Jesus IS NOW King of kings and Lord of lords.

    Col. 1:13 says that we have already been transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light in Jesus.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Gi-Gi...But let me just say this... Jesus didn't say my kingdom is not of this world....In John 18:36...Jesus said My Kingdom is not NOW...NOT NOW...from hence....Not nowThe Kingdom does not come till Rev.12:10...Now is come salvation and the Kingdom of our God and his Christ...The Kingdom cannot come till the woman births the manchild the baby which is the spirit of truth that will come when we birth the spirit of truth...Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G....The contents of the book...Thats y Jesus is saying unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....As the woman in Rev 12 does not enter the Kingdom till she births the manchild that is gonna rule all nations

    Gi-Gi I love ya sweetheart...But Jesus plainly tells us I am the light of the world but the night is coming when no man can work which was that great abomination of desolation standing in the holy places...The pulpits and churches...The last 2 k yrs have been nothin but wars and rumors of wars...The day of the Lord cannot come till there 1 st come a great falling away and that man of sin be revealed...Which is mans adamic nature....And the Tares that have to be joined with the wheat...Till the Harvest

    Jesus said when you see the great falling away that great abomination of desolation standing in the Holy places..Run to the mountains..Even Paul said when that which is Perfect is come that New Covenant that which is done in parts (Churchanity ) shall be done away with...Remember that image in Daniel 2 had to be done away with...Which is the early Church that was all in parts...The silver and the gold and the iron and brass down to the feet part iron and part clay...But it was all done away with...When That which is perfect is come is the New Covenant in his blood...All of Churchanity will be done away with...Even the big mega Churches will be done away with which is the head of Gold..But if I be lifted up i will draw
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago

    of Christ and the "manchild" on your own and separated from church affiliation. Your story is a classic example of how false doctrine begins and false teachers arise to promulgate these aberrant doctrines that twist Scripture, add to and take away from Scripture and intermix various scriptural phrases to say something the Word of God never meant it to mean. Also, when one intermixes their own ideas amidst scriptural bits and phrases as you do, it is wrought with error and should be rejected outright.

    And I do just that with your teachings on this subject.

    I do want to have meaningful conversations with you, Alex, and if you are able to speak to a topic without advancing these "newly discovered doctrines" laced in with your response to topics unrelated to your pet doctrines, then I am glad to engage with you. But when you wax into your usual plethora of false ideas, I simply discard most of what you have to say because of the blatant errors.

    i love you, too, Alex. We have very different approaches to Scripture which lead us to have very different doctrines on some key matters of faith. I wish you well and many blessings. I know that you are older than me, I just turned 66 a few days ago, and you have less time than I do before going to meet our Savior face to face. May you days be filled with the truth of God's word and the love of God for His children and His church.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gi Gi Gbu But there is a simple way we can know without a doubt who is of God and who is not...You have stated your position several times in the pass that God cannot multiply himself....We cannot be Gods is your postion..As others in this forum...Remember ..So now let me have your attention for just a sec...And i love ya sweety in the Lord...But listen Jesus tells us to whom the word came it made them Gods... John 10:35...And the scripture cannot be broken....But you don't believe that as some others in this forum...And in Psalms :82:6 I have said ye are Gods ....Impling that Jesus can multiply very God in us via his seeds his words...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin...Thats y he has to know us. That N.C...The words in the book that he wrote with his own blood....And Jesus said the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with in you...Not here nor there but WITHIN you... Luke 17:21....So plz tell me sister Gi-Gi how can the Kingdom of God be with in us...And we not be Gods...So ya can readily and easily see who is of God and who is not....Its simply them that believe his words...But them that don't believe his words are the reprobates...And in his prayer he prayed that God wd make them 1 John 17 :21..There wd be no way we cd be made 1 with God Almighty ( the marriage ) and we not be Gods...And don't give me that upper case lower case thing...Simply b/c there is no upper case or lower case in Hebrew.... Ephesians 5:30...plainly tells us we are gonna be made bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh....So that does away with the lower case and upper case analogy....Its gonna be a Genuine Marriage in the spiritual realm...As the bridegroon rejoices over the bride so shall thy God rejoice over thee... Isaiah 62:5....GBU Gi-Gi...And have a good week end...
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello GiGi,

    I was reading through this conversation and I am in agreement with what you are saying. I always enjoy reading your posts and I agree with you most of the time and I have also learned a few things I didn't know, mainly things you share on the Old Testament (my weaker area). So for that I say thank you.

    But there is something you said that has me "scratching my head" and made me go hmm!

    In your conversation with Alex, you said, "I just turned 66 a few days ago, and you have less time than I do before going to meet our Savior face to face."

    I am just wondering how you can know that? Is it because he is older? Just curious, and I hope you don't mind me asking.

    Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, and thank you for everything you share with us!
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Jesse,

    In past posts I believe that Alex mentioned that he is in his late 70's or so.

    So, statistically, especially with the longevity of women on my mothers side (living almost to 90 or even 95 going back many generations, it is most likely I will outlive someone 10-15 years older than me, that is all I meant. I am not wishing that either Alex or I die soon, but that in all likelihood, he will probably pass before me. I hope I did not alarm anyone, but i do look forward to the day I will leave this mortal life behind and begin living in eternity with Jesus. But in the mean time, I will enjoy the days He gives me and attempt to make the most of the opportunities I have to love others and share what I know of Christ and His faithful word.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago

    Thank you for replying. If we look at it from a statistical standpoint, it does make sense what you are saying. I guess it just seemed odd to me because in my mind I don't believe that any of us are guaranteed tomorrow. I have some dear friends of mine who are also in their 60's that lost a child, 30 years younger than them.

    I guess I was just looking at it differently. I wasn't considering age being a factor. But I do understand what you are saying.

    I hope you have not taken this the wrong way. Happy belated birthday. May the Lord bless you with many more years. And please know that you have been in my prayers, and I do pray that your surgery tomorrow goes well.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear ,

    Sorry Alex, but the text of John 18:36 clearly states (by the mouth of Jesus) that His kingdom is not of this world. You have substituted hence for world, which is a twisting of Scripture. I stand on the words of Jesus, not yours.

    When Jesus instructed the disciples to pray, He said, Our Father, who art in heaven...thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

    Jesus was saying that the kingdom already existed in heaven. I believe Him. I believe that the kingdom has always existed in heaven. But Jesus said many times that the kingdom of heaven is near or come. Thus, saying that the kingdom that exists in heaven has come to men in the person of Jesus. The kingdom, though only available to angels and heavenly hosts prior to Jesus' incarnation, was now available to men who believe in Him to be saved.

    He said that the kingdom of heaven (or God) was within you, speaking of His disciples. Jesus' prayer he taught the disciples was for the kingdom of heaven (or God) that He is the King of, would come to earth within men and women who believe the gospel and follow Him. He is the kingdom for us. He is the King who reign within us and in heaven. He has always reigned in heaven. But He brought the kingdom to earth by His incarnation and Presence in believers by the Holy Spirit.

    Alex, you definitely have a disdain for the church that Jesus said He would build and preserve. It has been in existence for 2000 years. And yes, there have been problems of sinful leaders and erroneous doctrines, but there is the same problems as these in the church since the Reformation. I do not think that the answer is to swear off the church body with contempt for the church is still the body of Christ. I am not talking about denominations or buildings, but believers gathered agreement of the one true faith delivered to us all by the apostles.

    From what I remember reading in one of your past posts, you stated that you "discovered" the doctrine concerning the "seed"
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello again, Alex, let me clarify one more thought. The verse of John 18:36 says:

    My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

    When Jesus spoke the last sentence He was not speaking in terms of timeframes, using "now" to indicate time, but as a way of saying "as it is" as when someone says to another, "now, now, that is what I said." (not meaning now as pertaining to time, but pertaining to the surety of what was said. "Surely" could be faithfully used instead of "now" in this sense.

    Jesus was not saying that at that point in time, ("now") Kingdom was not of this world but would be hence" (someday but- surely, His kingdom is not earthly and not from here (earthly).

    We may disagree on this, Alex, but by the words of our Lord, I don't believe He said He ever planned to set up an earthly kingdom. You and many may differ with me on this, and I am open to consider what others can present with Scriptural support.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gi-Gi Gbu but Rev. 11:15 Plainly tells us The Kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever...And Jesus tells us the Kingdom is gona be with in you....Thats y he tells us the Kingdom will come as a man who sows seed in his field which is the world us sinners which is gona initiate a Birth of Christ in us...Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of Man...Thats y he said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Gi Gi this is not completely new...It goes all the way back to Egypt....Your LIL ONES who you said wd be a prey...them will i bring in...The manchild is the lil ones the H.G. that has to be born in us via faith.... Numbers 14:31 answer to the babes and sucklings...That can praise God with a perfect praise...Which are our new hearts and new spirits...Unlike us that go a whoring after all kinds of materialistic things...

    ....When Jesus said that which is BORN... BORN of the Spirit is Spirit is telling us that the Spirit has to be born ( the H.G.) in us..Thus he is just a Spritual infant..Thats y he has to know us that his incorruptible seed will be sown in our hearts....The Child of Promise has to be Born in us which is the H.G. a living being as his words are the seeds of living beings...Which are the contents of that Book in the Fathers right hand that has not been opened just yet that New Covenant...Gi-Gi its b/c of the book that N.C. that the woman is giving birth to the manchild which are the Children of PROMISE..Remember that great PROMISE when God Almighty swore by his very self that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven..Nothin can stop this great spiritual pregnancy from happening..Thats y 27 times the prophets in the O.T. saw the world in travail and birth pains.

    When a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen...The child is evidence she has known the bridegroom. Jesus .
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Brother Alex:

    The kingdoms of this world HAVE BECOME the kingdom of God; it's a completed WORK, it just hasn't played out YET. We get to watch it happen.

    Malachi 1:5 Your eyes shall see .....

    Ezekiel 10:12 And their whole BODY (creation is the body of Christ) .....were full of eyes round about.

    The GIFT of God is eternal LIFE, Christ is the kingdom of God, your are translated into Christ.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Sammi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    There are very many references about God's Kingdom on earth , not just in the old testament but also in the new . I believe S Spenser has given you plenty to think about , one of the most obvious is when Christ gives the sermon on the mount : the meek shall inherit the earth . I believe that when we die we stay dead until the return of Christ . At his return I shall be resurrected and judged by him and if I'm acceptable I shall live , in God's Kingdom on earth and Christ shall reign over the earth from Jerusalem . These are , in basic terms my beliefs from reading the Bible . I realise others believe differently and I don't have a problem with that , all shall be revealed when Christ does return , our best days are ahead of us no matter what our age . I'm glad to hear that you are back to your normal health now . Thanks to God .
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Gigi.

    Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for but here's a few of many references of a future Kingdom here on earth.

    Revelation 5:10

    And have made us kings and priests to our God;


    Psalm 2:6-8

    "Yet I have set My King

    On My holy hill of Zion." "I will declare the decree:

    The LORD has said to Me,

    'You are My Son,

    Today I have begotten You.

    Ask of Me, and I will give You

    The nations for Your inheritance,

    And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

    Daniel 2:34-35

    You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and FILLED THE WHOLE EARTH.

    Zechariah 14:9-11.

    Zechariah 14:16-19

    And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

    Matthew 6:10

    Your kingdom come.

    Your will be done


    Matthew 5:5.

    Matthew 25:31-34.

    Isaiah 2:2.

    Jeremiah 30:10.

    Ezekiel 34:25-31.

    Daniel 2:44.

    Micah 4:1-2.

    Zechariah 8:1-3.

    Revelation 11:5.

    God bless you.

  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks S. Spencer. I will study these verses and get back to you if I am able. having surgery tomorrow so will be out of it for a few days.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello GiGi,

    I was taking a look at John 18:36 from my Greek study notes, and literally it is in the imperfect tense with a subjunctive particle that means "Up until now, my servants would have been fighting if my kingdom is from out of the earth as a source, so that I would not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here.

    I just wanted to share this as I do believe it supports what you are saying!
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Ahh, now, as I re-read the post from Ruby, then I see that it is scripted so much like Earl's, who's doctrine lacks veracity, as you say. But I do not see how Sammi picked up on that. But I don't think you were questioning Sammi's identity on here, but Ruby's.

    Went completely over my head, that's for sure. Anyway, I do hope that Sammi will be ok and continue on with all of us here. His thoughts are appreciated, as yours are.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Gigi.

    It's hard to whisper on a site.

    I've tried it on another occasion and everyone on the site got a whiff of it. I might as well speak boldly, respectfully and truthfully, to the best of my ability.

    The problem is the truth is not always taken well if you have not the same Spirit but if you do it will eventually become profitable.

    Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

    Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. Proverbs 9:8-9.

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Good afternoon, S. Spencer. I do think we should speak boldly and be straightforward when it comes to addressing error and those who speak it forth on here. They are being bold in promoting their doctrines. We, too, can be equally bold, and should be. There will always be those who just do not like it when someone names names and highlights how a doctrine is in error. But we are exhorted to do so in Scripture and there is a good reason for this exhortation: to keep others from being led astray from the truth of God's revealed Word.

    We are certainly to be loving and gracious in our wording in our attitude towards others, but we should not cower back when someone complains about "judging" or being "unaccepting" or "taking the plank out of one's eye before attempting to take the speck out of another's eye." We contend for the truth because it truly matters. It is just as much a command as it is to be hospitable to others.

    Maybe the one posted to may not be receptive but we can pray that there may be others who have the same Spirit and are. We can always pray for any who we disagree with or who's doctrines are at odds with Scripture. And, definitely, we should pray for wisdom and guidance as to how we are to respond and what to say.

    So, keep up the good work. You and I have had some differences, but we have been mature and caring, so that we can work through differences and continue having meaningful, appropriate, and sincere dialogue and mutual concern for one another. i appreciate that!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Gigi!

    That means a lot.

    God bless you and Goodnight.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks for the clarification brother. I didn't pick up on the cryptic nature of your response. We might have our own thoughts who is actually writing, but it's certainly not a matter that I would entertain - one that I feel is unnecessary & unprofitable.

    The message content is what's important, which should lead to a discussion that brings out Scriptures to support one's beliefs. Unfortunately, I think most want to just present their views, but are either unwilling or unable to adequately support them if questioned further. But that is their choice of course and that shouldn't prevent others from entering into a discussion, which I assume is the objective of this particular page. And conducted properly, readers of all persuasions should gain some benefit. Blessings.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Brother Chris.

    Yes the intent was to be private, and then if need be exposed.

    Not just the doctrine but also who or what's presenting it as long as pointing it out is part of what we do.

    As you said, "The apostles had to continually correct wrong teaching given, and when they knew particular ones in error, even name them.

    Blessings always big Brother.
  • Sammi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thankyou for that , despite what I have been taught by humans , I've always had a feeling that to be ' born again ' is what happens when I am resurrected to my new life , with my new body to be with Christ forever . I know this goes against what many churches teach , I think of Lazarus coming out of the tomb and Jonah in the fishes belly and Christ's resurrection , especially as he was buried in a tomb that no one had ever lain in before , that symbol is not lost on me . To be born again is what's going to happen after I've physically died and when I'm resurrected , taken out of the earth again as Adam was in the beginning , that's my new birth . This is just my own inclination . I've never voiced it before as I've always worried about what others would think if I said that out loud . I guess I'm gonna catch some flak for this ! Thanks for listening and may God bless you always .

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