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  • Richard H Priday on Matthew 10 - 10 months ago
    Discussion on Matthew 10: Near term and far reaching prophetic implications.

    When we see Matthew 10 and compare it with Luke 10 we see some differences. Those in Matthew 10 were told only to go the lost sheep of the house of Israel ( Matthew 10:6). Such was NOT the case with the 72 in Luke's account. We see there is no return mentioned of the Disciples as was with the 72 in Luke 10:17. The same cities were rebuked in Matthew 11:17 as they are in Luke 10:13-15. (incidentally these cities were rebuked BEFORE the Disciples retuned which also signifies their lack of belief in the miracles of Christ Himself if not implying their lack of response to the Gospel and miracles the Disciples and 72 performed in both Gospel accounts).

    When we look at Matthew 10 we see far implications; persecutions; being hated by all nations for His Name's sake; going to trial with kings and rulers and finally verses in verse 22:23. "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." This is a clear indication of the Tribulation as indeed this refers to the Second Coming. It is notable today that one cannot be a citizen of Israel if declaring themselves to be a Christian. The only other option here is to somehow imply the Lord came already as a Full Preterist viewpoint which says somehow Christ already returned in AD 70. The implications here are not only for the Disciples but all those who are going to suffer persecution for His Name's sake; perhaps particularly but not only related to the cities of Israel. Also the 144,000 and 2 Prophets would also be something bringing the climax and greatest challenge for Israel ever seen in the time of "Jacob's Trouble". ( Jeremiah 30:7). God promises deliverance eventually; by death or Rapture or Resurrection.

  • Jordyn - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 10 months ago
    Brother richard:

    you quoted:

    matthew 10:23 .... ye (those 12 disciples) shall not have gone over the cities of israel, til the son of man be come.

    christ came the second time when god raised him from the dead, we became joint-heirs, we are the body of christ.

    christ came; the second time, in the clouds of heaven, the new creation.

    colossians 1:27 .... this mystery ...... christ in you .......

    john 17:22 and the glory that thou has give me, i have given them, that they may be one, as we are one.

    the gospel is believing what god has done for man.

    psalms 107:8 o that man would praise the god of his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of man.

    god bless you!
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 10 months ago
    A literal approach to the Bible is not as surefooted as looking at it as God a Spirit willed it. Comparing spiritual with spiritual what do we have in the Bible.(1 Co.2:13) The Spirit has organized the God document for our instruction so we see two narrative lines of the Father and the Son.

    The earthly ministry of Jesus was three and a half years. Daniel refers to time, times and a half. The Spirit uses the same period as a tag to indicate the two timescales of the Father and Son who must account for his ministry in human likeness. In Re.12 we have the woman in the wilderness is provided for " a thousand two hundred and threescore days." (Re.12:6)It works out three and half years. In Re 13 we have the same period in months which is given to the beast. "and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.: In the genealogy of St Matthew we have three sets of 14 generations. (14x3). In the story of Elisha we have "And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."(2 Ki.2:24) Why did the children jeer at Elisha unprovoked? 'They hated me without cause' applies to the Son. Elisha, Elijah are set down as double for the Son. The Spirit keeps the Son in focus in OT and also in the latter days. Four cardinal directions has bearing on Jesus as the Savior of the whole world. So four angels holding the wind (Re..7:1) and "Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates./And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."(Re.9:14-15) The everlasting gospel preached in mid heaven (Re.14:6) refers to the half an hour silence in heaven. "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."(Re.8:1)
  • Bennymkje - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 10 months ago
    Jesus sent his twelve disciples in Matt.10 Twelve refers to the Gospel (of Christ) where as Luke is referring to the end times Seventy 'other disciples' which is preached from mid-heaven. (There is a difference to make the point would require another post) "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"(Re.14:6) In the Bible we have so many instances where the Spirit refers to a specific even and it telescopes into the end times. Refer the verse where God appears to King Solomon second time. (1 Ki.9:3) " I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually." It is referring to the House of Prayer for all nations.

    Now in the Luke version we have a similar construction from vv.17-18 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name./And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Jesus as the Word become flesh is referring to what the scriptures indicate. "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me,"( Luke 22:37) Luke's Gospel gives another insight of the Son while the Jewish sensibilities of Matthew gives us yet another.

    Seventy (7x10) number is another cue. 7 is the command number which is used for referring completeness. Where 10 indicates man's life. Thus Jesus fasting forty days and nights or he was seen after he was risen." he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days"(Ac.1:3) God gave 70 elders the spirit that was upon Moses (Nu.11:25)

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