Bible Discussion Thread

  • John ray - 9 months ago
    In our country we have a lot of nursing homes all over this country and I know people don't like to go to these places if you don't see it you don't talk about it you don't go I guess you sleep good at night what I'm trying to say is I try not to get mad about it I think or I hope that Jesus Christ will punish people for what they know but they don't do and yes I do know that if they ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness for what they have done what they could have done it's gone that's how it is wipe away I tried not to get mad you know just can't get the thoughts out of my head about these places I know I know somebody's there I guess people figure they can't lose their salvation once save always save I know Jesus Christ sees everything he knows my heart sorry about all the texts
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    1. The term "once saved always saved" is found nowhere in scripture.

    2. It is circular logic... Then one who claims well then we can sin, they respond with "But if you were truly saved you would not sin."

    3. Take your salvation seriously.

    4. I refer you to "Individual Apostasy" I will try to post sections 1 though 8 later for you.

    (8) Some who reject their faith and abandon a true relationship with God ( Heb 3:12) may still think they are Christians. However, their spiritual neglect and unconcern toward the demands of Christ, the inner voice of the Holy Spirit and the warnings of Scripture prove that they are in rebellion against God. Because of this possibility of self-deception, Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" ( 2Co 13:5, note).

    (9) Those who genuinely become concerned about their spiritual condition and have a desire to return to God in true repentance (i.e., changing one's attitude toward God, admitting sin, turning from one's own way and submitting to God) can be sure that they have not committed the unforgivable sin (cf. Mk 3:29), or ultimate apostasy. God's Word clearly affirms that he does not want anyone to perish or be spiritually lost and separated from him for eternity ( 2Pe 3:9; cf. Isa 1:18-19; 55:6-7). In fact, the heavenly Father will joyfully receive any wayward, rebellious or lost child who truly repents and returns to him (compare Gal 5:4 with 4:19; 1Co 5:1-5 with 2Co 2:5-11; see also Lk 15:11-24; Ro 11:20-23; Jas 5:19-20; Rev 3:14-20; note the example of Peter, Mt 16:16; 26:74-75; Jn 21:15-22).
  • John ray - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Thank you for responding I think when I text that I was standing a little bit unknown the Lord for two decades I've not been a good server I've only really got into learning scripture in the last 7 years I read what I text and I realized that it would be nice to have somebody to talk to in person but there is nobody sorry I wish that I could give you scripture to let you know that I do know some stuff but I'm not good in that thank you for the scriptures I will look them up thank you again
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Forgot to add the Firebible which is where I got what I posted for you. I think you'd love the KJV Firebible notes.
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Brother John ray,

    No worries... The most IMPORTANT thing to do is read your Bible. Those are God's Holy words that speak to our hearts and help us grow. As you study His Words you will grow spiritually and it will help you defend yourself from false teaching. Take it one book at a time. Attending a good Protestant church preferably where the bible is preached at the pulpit. Don't hate the commentaries... I've used them and I've learned a lot. Matthew Henry's Commentary is nice, C.I. Scofield's notes and BBC Bible Believer's Commentary are all pretty popular.

    We are here to help also if you have questions.

    May the blessings of the Lord be upon you.
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    PART 5

    (7) It must be emphasized that while spiritual backsliding is a danger for all who drift from faith in Christ ( Heb 2:1-3) and turn away from God (6:6), ultimate apostasy resulting in the hopeless condition described in the previous point does not occur without constant and deliberate resistance against the Holy Spirit (see Mt 12:31, note on sin against the Holy Spirit). Just as we are not saved by our own works and efforts, but by God's grace (see Eph 2:8-9; Tit 3:5), neither are we fully condemned to separation from God by our actions alone (although we will be judged by them; 2Co 5:10). People are saved spiritually by accepting God's grace and putting their faith in Christ; and people are condemned spiritually by rejecting (or simply not accepting) God's grace and refusing to put their faith in Christ (cf. 12:15, 25; Ac 19:19; 2Th 2:10; Rev 16:9). Refusing to have faith in God can be expressed in several ways, including refusing to believe in God, refusing to rely on God, refusing to take God at his Word, refusing to admit the wrongness of our own way, refusing to accept God's way of spiritual salvation through Christ alone and refusing to accept God's help and involvement in our lives. A person who allows his or her heart to become hardened or rebellious toward God by refusing him in any of these ways is in serious danger of rejecting God permanently (3:12).
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    PART 4

    (6) If spiritual "backsliding" (i.e., neglecting or abandoning one's faith and personal relationship with Christ) continues on its course without change, individuals may eventually reach the point where no new beginning is possible. That is to say, they will not be able to start over and renew their faith in God because no one is able to do this on their own apart from God's grace and the power of his Holy Spirit. (a) Those who once had a saving experience with Christ but deliberately and continually harden their hearts to the Spirit's voice ( Heb 3:7-19), continue to sin willfully ( Heb 10:26) and refuse to turn from their own way back to God may reach a point of no return where repentance and salvation are no longer possible ( Heb 6:4-6; see Dt 29:18-21, note; 1Sa 2:25, note; Pr 29:1, note). There is a limit to God's patience (see 1Sa 3:11-14; Mt 12:31-32; 2Th 2:9-11; Heb 10:26-29, 31; 1Jn 5:16). (b) This point of no return cannot be defined in advance. The only safeguard against the danger of ultimate (i.e., full and final) apostasy is to take this warning seriously: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts" ( Heb 3:7-8, 15; 4:7).
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    PART 3

    (4) Examples of actual apostasy can be found in Ex 32; 2Ki 17:7-23; Ps 106; Isa 1:2-4; Jer 2:1-9; Ac 1:25; Gal 5:4; 1Ti 1:18-20; 2Pe 2:1, 15, 20-22; Jude 1:4, 11-13; see article on The Age of the Antichrist, for comments on apostasy predicted to occur within the church in the last days before Christ returns to take the faithful in his churches from the world.

    (5) The steps that lead to apostasy are as follows:

    (a) Believers-those who have accepted God's forgiveness and entered a personal relationship with him through faith in Christ-become spiritually unconcerned, resistant or outright rebellious. These individuals show their unbelief by failing to take seriously all of the truths, challenges, warnings, promises and teachings of God's Word ( Mk 1:15; Lk 8:13; Jn 5:44, 47; 8:46).

    (b) If the realities and desires of the world become a higher priority than the realities and desires of God's kingdom and purposes, then believers gradually cease to recognize and experience companionship with God through Christ ( Heb 4:16; 7:19, 25; 11:6).

    (c) Because of the deceitfulness of sin (i.e., anything that offends or defies God or falls short of his standard), believers become increasingly tolerant of sin in their own lives ( 1Co 6:9-10; Eph 5:5; Heb 3:13). They no longer love what is right and hate what is wrong (see Heb 1:9, note).

    (d) Their hearts become spiritually hardened ( Heb 3:8, 13), resistant and unresponsive to God. Eventually, they openly reject his way (3:10), ignoring the repeated inner voice and rebuke of the Holy Spirit ( Eph 4:30; 1Th 5:19-22).

    (e) The Holy Spirit becomes grieved ( Eph 4:30; cf. Heb 3:7-8), his fire is "put out" ( 1Th 5:19) and his temple (i.e., the person's body and life) is violated ( 1Co 3:16). As a result, the Holy Spirit eventually departs from the believer's life (Jdg 16:20; Ps 51:11; Ro 8:13; 1Co 3:16-17; Heb 3:14).
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    PART 2

    (2) The Christian faith is primarily about relationship to and companionship with God. The Bible speaks of God as the Father, Jesus Christ as the Son and those who accept Christ by faith as God's family and children (Ro 8:14-17). This means that spiritual salvation through faith in Christ is personal, relational and requires our individual response. God's grace (i.e., his unearned and undeserved favor, love and spiritual enablement)-made available through the personal sacrifice of Christ-is enough to forgive and save us spiritually and to sustain our relationship with God. In Jesus' illustration about the vine and the branches ( Jn 15:1-8), the believer (branch) who remains united in relationship with Christ (vine) is spiritually secure and has life. However, if that believer becomes spiritually rebellious or faithless toward God and chooses to break from his or her grace-union with Christ, then he or she becomes cut off from the source of life. A person who remains in this condition will, in the end, lose the privilege of living eternally in the presence of God, just as one who never accepted Christ (cf. Jn 15:6).

    (3) The Bible gives urgent warnings about this serious and sobering possibility. These warnings are designed both to alert us to the deadly danger of abandoning our union with Christ and to motivate us to remain faithful and obedient to him. We must not ignore or treat lightly God's purpose for these warnings and develop the attitude that says, "the warnings are real, but the possibility of actual apostasy is not." Rather, we must take these warnings seriously, realizing that they apply in a very real sense to how we use our time on earth until we receive our full, complete and final salvation in eternity with God. A few of the many NT passages that warn us are: Mt 24:4-5, 11-13; Lk 12:46; Jn 15:1-6; Ac 14:21-22; Ro 11:17-21; 1Co 15:1-2; Col 1:23; 1Ti 4:1, 16; 6:10-12; 2Ti 4:2-5; Heb 2:1-3; 3:7-19; 4:1, 6-7; 6:4-9; 10:26-31; 12:25; Jas 5:19-20; 2Pe
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 9 months ago
    PART 1

    Heb 3:12 "See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God."

    Apostasy (Gk apostasia) appears twice in the NT as a noun (Ac 21:21; 2Th 2:3). But here in Heb 3:12 it is used as a verb (Gk aphistemi, meaning to "turn away"). The Greek term literally means "standing away" from God, and it relates to spiritual rebellion, abandonment, withdrawal or turning from what one has previously believed and experienced in a relationship with Christ. It typically involves denying a once sincere faith, disowning Jesus and abandoning the body of Christ (i.e., the church community), although some who have turned their backs on a relationship with Christ may still pretend to be part of the church. Apostasy is the consequence of a willing and deliberate choice to "turn away from the living God" (3:12).

    (1) To apostatize means to break off from one's saving relationship with Christ or to withdraw from union with and faith in him (see article on Faith and Grace). For this reason, individual apostasy (as differentiated from a group, church, people or nation rejecting God) is possible only for those who have first experienced God's forgiveness and been spiritually "born again" ( Jn 3:3-7) and renewed through a personal relationship with Christ (cf. Lk 8:13; 6:4-5; 10:29). Apostasy is not simply a denial of NT belief and teaching by those in the church who do not truly have a personal relationship with Christ. In fact, apostasy may involve two separate but related stages of rejection: (a) theological apostasy, which is a rejection of all or some of the original teachings of Christ and those used by God to write his Word ( 1Ti 4:1; 2Ti 4:3) and (b) moral apostasy, which involves a former believer willingly breaking away from a personal relationship with Christ and becoming spiritually enslaved again to sin and its lifestyle ( Isa 29:13; Mt 23:25-28; Ro 6:15-23; 8:6-13).
  • John ray - In Reply - 9 months ago
    This is John thank you for all the information sorry for taking so long to get back with you I know in the Lord for two decades he's done a lot of wonderful things for me I wish I could have kept a record of all the things that he try to get my attention Jesus Christ but unfortunately the devil came after me too it's been a battle Jesus knows everything when the pandemic happen you found out who your friends and everybody and that's the way it still is thank you again I apologize for all the texts take care

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