Bible Discussion Thread

  • Islam4ever - 9 months ago
    Biblical information and evidences shows that Muhammad was actually mentioned in the Bible, and, as such, these has helped me provide a practical guide by which I examine these prophesies with Biblical references. Factually, Biblical findings have illustrated that there are a fair amount of external evidence supporting the Biblical historicity of the advent of an Arabian prophet Muhammad , which stated "The Oracle concerning Arabia in the thickets in Arabia you will lodge"

    ( Isaiah 21 vs 13 RSV)


    Interestingly, in the Oracle of Isaiah, "in the thickets in Arabia you will lodge", indicated the advent of a personality to emerge from Arabia and a warning that Arabia is the Promised Land which was referred to as Tema in the same oracle, Tema is therefore a name as well as a place, which referred to the Arabian city of Madinah on the one hand, as well as the son of Ishmael on the other hand. Kedar is the name of another son of Ishmael who also dwelled in the land of Paran and referred to as another Arabian City called Makkah and according to Biblical commentators, Prophet Muhammad is a descendant of Kedar, this assertion is also admitted to by Jewish Biblical commentators as well. Thank you.
  • Chris - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Hello friend. I am in agreement with what Adam has just shared with you: that the mention of Mohd or even an allusion to him is nowhere found in this verse, or indeed anywhere in the Bible.

    You appear to be someone who is interested in what the Bible has to say to us, even considering the rich heritage that both the descendants of Isaac & Ishmael share from the olden days. In your consideration of this prophetical Book of Isaiah, we need to remember that this book & indeed all the Bible Books are written in an historical & chronological manner. Unlike the Qur'an, where the writings are purportedly made from isolated revelations received over a period of time, the Books of the Bible were written by men moved by God's Spirit ( 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21), but were given in a systematic historical way. So when we take a verse or portion of the Bible to teach or defend a belief, then we must look at the whole - or else, our understanding will be skewed & we will be led into error.

    Since you're looking at the prophecies in Isaiah, if you would care to begin at Isaiah 13:1 right through to Isaiah 23:18, and you will notice a series of denunciations by God against particular lands/nations. Through his prophet Isaiah, God denounces Babylon, Philistia, Moab, Damascus, Ethopia, Egypt, Babylon (again), Edom, Arabia (the part you're referring to), Jerusalem, & Tyre. So when you refer to Isaiah 21:13, the specific passage is from Isaiah 21:13-17, where God's Judgement is found in verse 16, that "within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail". Even though Kedar was a powerful Arabian tribe, the reference here are to all connected to her. All these suffered judgement under God's Hand.

    But at the appointed time, God sent forth His Son Jesus, the One Who came to receive our judgement & punishment upon Himself (for our sins). Without Him we would all be condemned, but those who believed on Him would receive forgiveness ( John 1:11,12).
  • Adam - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Hello, I don't see any verse mentioning muhammed. Isaiah 21:13 mentions Arabia but I think it's a stretch to say that has anything to do with this person. I think some are eager and motivated to draw a connection to him and are trying to find any possible connection instead of simply reading the Bible and trying to understand its normal meaning.

    The Bible is clear that no one can be saved and enter heaven without Jesus Christ.

    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 KJV

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