Genesis Chapter 42 Discussion

  • GiGi again on Genesis 42 - 2 years ago

    I think it is interesting that the brothers foresaw some negative result of the accusation of being spies. They then blamed their misfortune on their sin against Joseph such a long time ago. They all held this sin in common. Although Rueben mentions that he tried to stop what the brothers intended sin. He probably thought that he could have done more to help Joseph and he probably could have done something more, but didn't. So here we have sins of commission and sin of omission.

    Again, when Jacob heard the account of what had happened, he thought that God was bringing tis on him for some wrongdoing.

    Jacob did not want to send Benjamin to Egypt and he was vexed of heart that Simeon was left behind. He did not want to lose more of his family.

    I wonder if Joseph had sent just enough corn to get them by for a short time so tat they will be compelled to return for more.
  • GiGi on Genesis 42 - 2 years ago
    So this story takes place 14 years after Joseph was put in charge of the land by Pharoah. At the time of the appointment, Joseph had been in Egypt 13 years. 17+13+14=44. Joseph was now 44. His other brothers who visited were older, probably 50-65 or so as an age spread. Benjamin was younger than Joseph but not a child. Probably 35-40 or so.

    Jacob was quite older now, but the loss of Rachel and Joseph stuck with him all these years. He said tat Benjamin was alone, however, he had 10 other brothers. Makes me wonder how integrated the family was with four mothers of 12 sons and 1 daughter. Maybe, since they were herdsmen who lived in tents, they lived in different areas where their flocks were pastured according to households with their mothers. So, Benjamin may have lived with Jacob, but not with his other brothers.

    The brothers had been away from Joseph for 17 years. He probably had a shaved head and raiment like along the Egyptian style for the upper class. Joseph's brothers still dressed the same as when Joseph was sold. So, this was may have been how Joseph recognized them and they did not recognized him. Joseph was now bilingual (or multi) and so he could speak in the Egyptian tongue so they could not recognize or understand him.

    Joseph's accusations that they were spies was a serious one, especially in a time of famine, making the area vulnerable.

    He knew they were not spies, but wanted the brothers to speak about the family to know about Benjamin and his father. He wept, probably to find out that his brother and father were alive and well as well as to see his brothers once again.

    His response to seeing his brothers shows that Joseph held no animosity towards his brothers for what they did to him. He knew he was favored by God in the time he had been in Egypt. He knew he was now in a place to bless his family with much needed corn to feed their flocks and to feel their families. He knew that if he did not help them, his family could easily starve.
  • Jack C Gutknecht on Genesis 42:38 - 3 years ago
    "Why do ye such things?" (continued). But the sons disregarded such a weak and useless protest for their hearts were cold and callous and so they no longer heeded their father's feelings.

    Although Eli had no power to change the hearts of his sons, he could have prevented their ministry before the Lord, but he "restrained them not." He wanted to be kind to them but it was a false and mistaken kindness. A seasonable correction would have saved them from ruin. Eli had no need to be harsh and severe, only firm and decided in the matter of obedience. Eli was twice warned that judgment would overtake him and his sons, but such warning was lost upon him. He dearly loved his sons and could not take action against them.

    What a pitiable spectacle Eli presents! An old man of ninety, almost blind, waited to hear the result of the grim battle between the Israelites and the Philistines. How he trembled for his nation, his sons and also for the Ark of God which would be dishonored if it fell into enemy hands! Then the messenger came with news of the slaughter of his sinful sons and of the taking of the Ark. As Eli heard mention of the latter he fell off his seat by the side of a gate and died of a broken neck, yes, and of a broken heart! As is often the case, "children bring down their father's gray hairs with sorrow to the grave." ( Genesis 42:38)
  • Jack C Gutknecht on Genesis 42:38 - 3 years ago
    He was an Israelite devout cleric whose children ended up so seriously that God killed them around the same time. His children were a disgraceful humiliation. They lured young ladies who helped at the love community. However Eli didn't do a thing to stop them but to request that they stop. They didn't. In opportunity a prophet accompanied astonishing news: Eli's children would kick the bucket on a solitary day, and nobody else in Eli's family would life a long life.

    Eli ['l]-jehovah is high or my god. The high priest and judge of Israel of the family of Ithamar ( 1 Sam. 1-4; 14:3).

    The Man Who Lacked Parental Authority

    There are few Bible men in whose character we cannot find some great and glaring fault. There is usually a dead fly in the ointment, a rent in the garment, a spot on the whitest sheet. Eli was a good man whose life was pure. He loved and delighted in God's service, but was faulty in one point. He failed to exercise the proper authority of a parent over his children.

    Eli belonged to the tribe of Levi, and for years acted as a judge and as High Priest in Israel. He lived at Shiloh in a dwelling adjoining the Temple for the greater portion of his life. We know little about him until he was well advanced in age. The first mention of him is when Hannah came to pour out her heart.

    Eli's fault which brought sorrow upon his declining years was the conduct of his own two sons, Phinehas and Hophni, who, although lacking their father's character and qualities, were yet put into the priest's office. Their conduct disgraced their high calling and shocked the people so much that they "abhorred the offering of the Lord." While Eli warned them of their shameful ways, he did not rebuke them with the severity their evil deeds merited. He should have exercised the stern authority of a father and rebuked them as a judge. Instead Eli only mildly reasoned with his sons saying: "Why do ye such things?"
  • Luna - In Reply on Genesis 42 - 4 years ago
    Yes!it is a great story. God helped Joseph in a time he needed help.
  • Tonya Dwyer on Genesis 42 - 5 years ago
    I love this story.
  • Cynthia Baniassad on Genesis 42 - 5 years ago
    I agree 100 with Mr Ralph M Waters!!!
  • Cynthia Baniassad on Genesis 42 - 5 years ago
    I believe Jacob secretly wondered if his sons had anything to do with Joseph's disappearance, and spoke with gentle but slightly bitter sarcasm when he suggestedJoseph's blood brother might also come to harm. I haven't seen that possibility mentioned in any of the commentaries.
  • Anne on Genesis 42 - 5 years ago
    Joseph's treatment of his brothers forces them to reflect on their evil deed against him without them knowing he was their brother whom they wronged. Guilty conciences will cause us to realize our sins and humble ourselves and repent.
  • Gary johnson on Genesis 42 - 5 years ago
    We don't get away with anything in this life, the eye of the Lord is upon the good as well as the evil that we do, a day of reckoning is coming.
  • A disciple on Genesis 42 - 6 years ago
    I know that the Lord Jesus has forgiven me my sins, and made me clean through His word. Yet I am deeply mortified and grieved when I think of about how badly I polluted myself in sins. I think this is a good sign of true awakening, when there's a real repentance and conversion. When the day comes that God wipes away all tears from off all our faces, then will we be made to forget the pat for ever.
  • BSP on Genesis 42 - 6 years ago
    Verse 38: We can see that the loss of Joseph had long term effects on Jacob's feelings. Imagine those who have lost a child today. Feelings of distress and even depression can last for years.
  • A disciple on Genesis 42 - 7 years ago
    As Joseph was given the day when his brothers had to face him again for their sins against him, and he knew how to deal wisely with them; so will the Lord be faithful to bring all those who have wronged us to our feet, to show them how much He has loved us, and honors those who are good and holy before Him. God has to speak roughly to the ones who need to repent, when they are hiding their sins.
  • Cavine ouma on Genesis 42 - 7 years ago
    God works in mysterious ways
  • Ahuwa Chiamaka Jessica on Genesis 42 - 7 years ago
    We should always be kind
  • Stephen on Genesis 42:8 - 9 years ago
    The jews didnt recognise Jesus their brother as the Messiah
  • Geraldine cole on Genesis 42 - 9 years ago
    This is Just God be careful who u mistreat it just might be a child of God.and when u mistreat God childern u will reap what u sowed
  • Joseph on Genesis 42 - 9 years ago
    God watches over His Children and preserves them even in times of famine, trials and challenges. Indeed all things work together for good to them that love God Romans 8 28. God does not joke over His heritage the nation of Israel and Christians and will always make a way where there seems no way. The 13years Joseph spent in Egypt before becoming the prime minister was God preparing him for the great assignment assigned to him. Before his trials in Egypt, Joseph was a very cool and naive fellow who did not know there were different kinds of people good and bad in life , and that the 'whole world lieth in wickedness '. God needed him to see and experience various shades of life. Never you complain about your experiences in life but rather learn as many lessons quickly as possible and move with God. This does not mean you should not pray for deliverance if you are going through trials, tribulations and challenges, but know that God 's way and will must be paramount. May God give us the grace to always abide in Christ in Jesus Name
  • Tshokolo Lamola on Genesis 42:38 - 9 years ago
    My thought is simply that,every parent is very protective to his her children. And parents alway desire what 's best in life for their children and it is their duty to give direction to their children. It is for evey child to listen and comply with the orders of their parents. We all must listen and follow God 's orders, we will be saved! I say all I Jesus ' holy name. Amen.
  • Ariyo Modupe on Genesis 42 - 10 years ago
    God is so great that He can anything for His children to fulfil their destiny dreams
  • Tony udeze on Genesis 42:19 - 10 years ago
    i luv jesus
  • Emeth james on Genesis 42:11 - 10 years ago
    true men, men of truth Or men of trueth
  • Olayinka oye on Genesis 42 - 11 years ago
    Wow! What a wonderful transformation in Joseph's life. Only the Lord can do it. Genesis 42:8: And Joseph knew his brethren, but they knew not him. One wonders why his brethren could not recognize him. After all, he has lived with them for seventeen years before he was sold to slavery. They ate, played and were even with the sons of Bilhah and Zilpah his father's wives most of the time. If we endure and pass through the fiery furnace of trials and affliction by the time we are out, we will shine forth as gold at the end. Psalm 40:2: He brought me up out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock and established my goings.
  • Hemant on Genesis 42 - 11 years ago
    �And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your temporary residence, all the land of Canaan as an eternal possession and I will be a God to them.� ( Genesis 17:8) God wanted Abraham and his descendants to possess the land of Canaan eternally. It was the most fertile land chosen for his people by the God. It is like second to the Garden of Eden which had everything for man but the devil's craftiness and the man's greed made him lose the Garden of Eden. Jacob and his family were in the land of Canaan (the Promised Land) but Jacob failed to stick on the covenant of God, rather he is falling time and again. He looted his brother's rights, spoke lie to his father, married two wives and his children also falling into the trap. They master planned to kill Joseph, slew the man who wanted to marry their sister and so on. As a result the blessings of Canaan seem to be taken away. Canaan the land of honey and milk fails to produce enough even for the family of Jacob. Egypt which is barren and infertile has the blessings of God. From here what we can learn is that God can make opposite of the things. He can make nothing everything and everything nothing. That's why the word of God forewarns us that we need to be watchful all the time. That devil is not happy with what we have achieved. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour ( 1 Peter 5:8).
  • Timothy Wayne George on Genesis 42 - 12 years ago
    God is now using Joseph to discipline his brothers for the sin they have done, and also allowing the dream of Joseph to come true. This demonstrates the love that God has for us, in that while we were sinners Christ died for us. Joseph wept for his brothers, just as Jesus wept over Israel. Jacob has suffered much because of his sons, and he does not want his gray hairs to go down to the grave in sorrow because of what they have done. Be not deceived God is not mocked, for what so ever a man sows, that shall he also reap. We are told to speak the truth in love, and let every man have his own wife. The trouble in Jacob's family can be traced to being with more than one wife, and loving one more than the other, and the children of that one more than the other children. The things that happened to them are examples for us, so that we will not repeat the mistakes that they made. This is why God does not approve of multiple marriages.
  • Catherine Grant on Genesis 42 - 12 years ago
    I can relate to Joseph's Pain and weeping.
  • RALPH M. WATERS on Genesis 42 - 13 years ago
    This chapter was very clear. My one observation is the use of "MISCHIEF". It kinda of make you think that JACOB knew his sons did something with JOSEPH and did not want it to happen to BENJAMIN. "JUST A THOUGHT"

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