Isaiah Chapter 9 Discussion

  • Fred Scanlan - In Reply on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    9-11 has nothing to do with the bible, the Samaritan, or the philistines. Our policies in the world and the destruction and its refugees, are the consequences of escalation and in most cases false pretenses.

    It is, as if our Father of the nation has left, unable to attend to the upbringing of a Nation of its own!

    The law is no longer a useful tool. Just ask the Mothers who bury their children before they arrive home from school! No longer these lawyers deciding on a Childs future, but how much should the Childs Mother get to bury Him or Her!

    The destruction you seemed to be so worried about is everywhere , not only in the homeland. Sin is the problem! Looking for and asking for forgiveness though right in front us, we repel!
  • Richard H Priday on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    Apparently the attitude of the Samarians and Ephriam's descendants in verse 9 and 10 was something repeated in this nation after the destruction of the Twin Towers after 9/11. Pride of man is a very dangerous thing. We see the enemies of the Syrians followed by the Philistines (today's Palestinians are now mainly in that coastal region west of Jerusalem today). Hence what happened then will happen again; it would appear in some phase of Revelation (perhaps illustrated in the league of nations in Psalm 83 occuring BEFORE the outside perimeter of Iran; Russia and Libya; Ethiopia and Turkey attack in the Ezekiel 38 conflict). Verse 13 shows how Israel has rebelled against God and perhaps eventually against Antichrist himself "the one who smiteth them". The false prophets and final False Prophet will cause deception; hence the dread judgments of the rest of the chapter of fires; and people eating their own flesh (verse 20). Even the widows and fatherless won't be spared (verse 17). Again; the state of the people's hearts following false predictions will lead to these horrible judgments. There is always the consolation that a remnant will be saved; as some will flee to safety during the Tribulation judgments; and even a few will live physically to repopulate the earth after that time into the Millennium.
  • M - In Reply on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago

    Wesley's Notes for Isaiah 9:5

    9:5 Noise - With the triumphant exclamations of the conqueror, and the bitter lamentations of the conquered, and the different cries of the same persons, sometimes conquering, and sometimes conquered. Blood - With great difficulty and slaughter. But - But this victory which God's people shall have over all their enemies, shall be more terrible to their adversaries, whom God will utterly consume, as it were by fire.
  • Tim legarie on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    Wow so powerful the word of God had to write points down how it mirrors our world still today.Will throw some questions on here for the readers Isaiah 9:5 What kind of fire is that?

    9:6 The prince of peace?Not for the unbelievers or the money changers or the others that have turned to darkness.7 Last sentence The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.Where is the zeal today in many places? For the love of our saviour Jesus Christ who died for the worlds sins.
  • Nydia Soriano on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    who announced Jesus coming in Isaiah 9;6
  • Ray on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    Before we are with Jesus Christ, who is God Almighty! We must go threw tribulation. Antichrist will deceive many for a short period of time. Tribulation against Gods chosen! He will put some of us to death. Then God will return, and then we will be caught up with him in the air. Not before! It isn't that we won't, but the fact he releases Luciefer as a test of time.
  • Ray on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    Ezekiel chapter 13:20: Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. "We will go threw tribulation, like it or not." The test of time is now. The parable of the fig tree. When Isreal became a nation again. Puts us in the last generation.
  • Adam - In Reply on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    Hello, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly says Jesus will come and people will be caught up with Him in the air. That's what the Bible says, whether someone wants to deny it or believe it.

    It appears some are trying discredit the Word of God for some unknown reason. Have you prayed about this? Why do you not believe 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and why do you call something in the Bible just a 'theory'?

    The same old logical fallacy that a word isn't in the Bible therefore something isn't true has been debunked countless times, but we can do that again. The word "Bible" isn't in the Bible either, so does that mean the Bible isn't the Bible? Using the same fallacy, the letter J didn't exist in the English language hundreds of years ago, so does that mean Jerusalem, Jews, and even Jesus didn't exist?

    The Bible didn't mention for years whether Jesus ate food. Does that mean he was starving to death?

    The Bible never used any words to describe if Jesus ever took a bath. Does that mean He never did?

    The word 'bathroom' or 'restroom' or 'toilet' isn't even in the Bible, so does that automatically mean no one ever went to the 'bathroom' ever, including Jesus?

    I think those are enough examples to debunk the already debunked claim that the word ____ isn't in the Bible therefore something isn't true. Pray and ask God with an open heart for wisdom and truth as we read the Bible.
  • Ray on Isaiah 9 - 2 years ago
    First of all, the word rapture doesn't exist in bible scripture! What makes us better then Jesus? He suffered for us! We will be here in flesh until the very end. First anrichrist will come saying he is god. Some of us will face him and his bad angels. Read all of Revelation= " to reveal". There is scripture saying God is against this so called fly away doctrine= "Rapture theories! If we are in front of antichrist; we are not to think about what we will say. God will speak threw you. These fallen spirits will freak out. Yes, he will come back with 144,000 of the tribes of Israel, those that once were alive themselves. Some of us are from the 12 tribes and still living in flesh. I will find the scripture against the fly away doctrine, and get back to you quickly!
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 9 - 3 years ago
    I think you're referring to Isaiah 8:19. If so, maybe if I gave a transliteration of that verse:

    'When those that come to you & suggest you enquire after those who consult the spirit world: to the wizards who say they have the ability to see into the future or babble sounds imitating the spirits. Reject them. Shouldn't you rather be seeking after the Living God to worship Him & get His counsel? Does it make sense for the living to seek help & advice from those who have died?

    I realize this is a loose & long translation, but I've written it so you can get a better understanding.
  • Emma Johnson on Isaiah 9 - 3 years ago
    Isaiah 9:6 what does it mean when it says seek God for the living to the dead?
  • Salomo on Isaiah 9:6 - 3 years ago
    El Gibbor from hebrew -Mentioned in Isaiah 9.6 Mighty-God points out to Jesus the Messaih.

  • Marie - In Reply on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    Adam that is completely true scary fact if they dont change their ways and repent life as we all know out will be over America will be destroyed and devoured ....that is where we are heading.
  • Adam - In Reply on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    I agree. I think many Americans prefer lies over truth. When offered facts and data that show the truth they don't seem interested. What they want to be true has become their worldview and is their religion. This is described in Romans 1:25.
  • Marie punta gorda fl - In Reply on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    America is on the path to destruction, wake up Americans for the beginning of the end started into full prophecy 9/11 !! Read your Bibles be assured America will be devoured by her enemies with an open mouth.

    Read and line up old scriptures with today, as we say we were grafted in ...we were and fall shall be the same. Turn back to the Lord Jesus Christ ! There is always hope !
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    Drew, are you of the Bahai faith? What is your purpose of posting this extract ? It doesn't appear to contribute anything for us to contemplate & respond to.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago

    And the sheep follow him: for they know His voice ( John 10:4).

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this folds: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd ( John 10:16).

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Drew Whittle on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    Sam Khan approached the Bab: 'I profess the Christian Faith and entertain no ill will against you. If your Cause be the Cause of truth, enable me to free myself from the obligation to shed your blood.' To this the Bb replied: 'Follow your instructions, and if your intention be sincere, the Almighty is surely able to relieve you from your perplexity.'

    The Bb and His disciple were suspended by ropes from a nail in the wall, the head of Mirza Muhammad-'Ali resting on the breast of the Bb. Seven hundred and fifty soldiers were positioned in three files. Roofs of the buildings around teemed with spectators.

    Each row of soldiers fired in turn. The smoke from so many rifles clouded the scene. When it lifted the Bb was not there. Only His disciple could be seen, standing under the nail in the wall, smiling and unconcerned. Bullets had only severed the ropes with which they were suspended. Cries rang out from the onlookers: 'The Siyyid-i-Bb has gone from our sight!'

    A frantic search followed. The Bb was found, sitting in the same room where He had been lodged the night before, in conversation with His amanuensis. That conversation had been interrupted earlier in the day. Now it was finished and He told the farrash-bashi to carry out his duty. But the farrash-bashi was terror-stricken and ran away, nor did he ever return to his post. Sam Khan, for his part, told his superiors that he had carried out the task given to him; he would not attempt it a second time. So Aqa Jan Khan-i-Khamsih and his Nasiri regiment replaced the Armenians, and the Bb and His disciple were suspended once again at the same spot. The Nasiri regiment fired. The bodies of the Bb and His disciple were shattered, and their flesh was united.
  • Carleton - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    Hello, just because Jesus walked with man on the earth the first time does not mean that he has to walk the earth a second time. For example, Jesus was the second Adam but he was not the first Adam.

  • Jesse - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago

    In order for there to be a second coming, there had to be a first. Jesus did walk this earth some 2,000 plus years ago. That was His first coming. His feet were physically on the ground. At His second coming, He will again physically step foot on solid ground. However, at the rapture, Jesus does not come all the way to the earth. We meet Him in the air. So the rapture is separate from His second coming. At the rapture, we will be taken into heaven to partake of the wedding feast while chaos will be taking place here on the earth. Afterward, when Christ does come back at His second coming, all those who were raptured, we come back with Him. Christ's second coming will be His "Triumphant Return." He is coming to rule and reign. He will come on a white horse, and all His people coming with Him will also be riding white horses.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    The Rapture - the raising of the Church into heaven ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17): is the next event on the prophetic calendar. The Rapture is when Christ comes back and takes every Christian that is still on this earth and resurrects all of those who have died and takes them to heaven with Him. In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-8, Paul expresses that the Lord's return will be like a thief in the night. No one knows the date or time. However, there are several signs of the End Times that we can all be aware of. Events such as earthquakes and diseases, war and dispute among nations, and persecution against Christians are all signs leading to the Rapture.


    Matthew chapter 24: 1-46

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:2

    Revelation 1:7, 3:10

    1 Corinthians 15: 51-53

    Mark 13:32

    John 14:1-3

    Luke 21: 34-36; 12:40

    Acts 1: 9-11

    2 Peter 3:10-13

    Hebrews 9:28

    Philippians 3:20

    Colossians 3:2

    Ezekiel 18:4. Revelation 21
  • Stanjett - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    The rapture is when all believers are brought to heaven when Jesus comes back to get them. The dead and the undead.
  • Harrison Ajayi on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    What is rapture and the second coming of Jesus christ
  • Mishael - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for your encouragement. It means so much to have the body of Christ pulling for each other. You never know when someone needs a kind word.
  • Frank Garcia - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    So many Christians are just lost for God's understanding sometimes there worried earthquakes, wars, corona 19 virus, famine, I can go on and on but the fact is Jesus warned us about such things my friend these are happening for a season they will past but they are signs of the latter days trust the Lord no matter what, God hasn't forgotten us he knows what is going on he will take care of his people the Bible tells us that .
  • Just chatting with us watchmen - In Reply on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    I was searching things in the Blank Search Box one day. I don't know why, but I typed in 'China'. The search database knows these scriptures concern Chinese interests.

    They concern pandemics. There are 3. So I googled a list of all past pandemics with World death counts. It goes way back in history. Quite unsettling to read. CDC confirms it. Some pandemics were due to "swine flu". Corona virus evolves into more dangerous forms.

    You'll have to Google because I'm not sure if it was this year or 2019? President Trump put sanctions on China exporting pork that is infected with swine flu. They got caught trying to smuggle in a million pounds of infected pork in January.

    Corrupt business buys their cheap meat and sells it to Americans; then China pays high prices to the US to have non-infected meat imported there. I hope Trump stopped the entire process? Ignorance is bliss. I don't want to think about it. I hope Jesus will return soon.

    We take so many things for granted. That everything is safe that we put in our grand babies mouths. I've got everyone praying over food at my place. We've got to be wise and also be full of faith. Trust in God implicitly. Do the do's, and stop doing the don'ts.

    I just heard (no joking) the Holy Spirit singing "I walk The Line" by Johnny Cash.

    So I jet over to YouTube to have a singalong. There was a comment "is anyone else up at 2am listening to Johnny sing?" (during the co-vid crisis?). Many comments by Christians! It's so cool. John wrote that song to God!

    I can't wait to get to Heaven!!!

    Sinning is so hopeless when you compare it to eternity with all, and who is in heaven. Why would you want to miss out?

  • Ephraim Etim on Isaiah 9:8 - 3 years ago
    Your Comment...Why it' that now aday you will pray as if somebody will die but nothing happen as before,why sufering now than before?
  • Mishael on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    Several people have already discussed pre, post and mid tribulation;

    Back in the 1-100 days of comments below today's comment room.

    You can click through the numbers and look for those comments.
  • Mishael on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    USING THE WEBSITE COMMENTARY to understand hard sayings

    You need to learn how to use the Search Box for this website. It's there when you first come in. Use the blank one if you're searching a word, or a phrase. Put your scripture: chapter and verse in. Hit the arrow.

    You'll see the chapter appear with your verse highlighted yellow.

    Scroll down some till you see the Commentary Box. Click that.

    You'll see a commentary on what your scripture means; or it may define all the sayings in the chapter.

    You see what the Bible is saying. There's quite a long commentary on your verse.

    It's helpful to see what the commentary says about hard sayings.
  • People With Hardened Hearts Against the Gospel - In Reply on Isaiah 9:10 - 3 years ago
    Ephesians 4:18 - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

    Matthew 13:14-15 - And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE.

    Proverbs 28:13-14 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them, shall have mercy.

    Hebrews 3:8 - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

    Mark 8:17 - And when Jesus knew [it], he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?

    Exodus 9:12 - And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

    Exodus 7:3 - And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

    Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    John 12:48 - He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Mishael : It takes Spiritual Warfare to free a person to hear Gods Word. See sermons on YouTube, about that. See Ephesians 6. Don't let the devil scare you. He knows Jesus stripped him of his authority to steal souls. Watch some Charles Capps videos too so you will understand your authority through the Blood of Jesus.

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