John Chapter 5 Discussion

  • Richard H Priday on John 5 - 1 year ago
    Verses 1 through 15 are on a mysterious matter; which I will leave other commentators to evaluate. The focus on verse 14 is where I am drawing attention to. Jesus isn't quoted as saying who He was; but the man who was healed was warned to go and sin no more. This assumes once again that Jesus is part of the Godhead; and ties into the rest of the chapter where once again the Pharisees go about a familiar theme of scolding Christ for healing on the Sabbath Day. It is interesting to note that whoever this angel was it certainly didn't stop those seeking a healing or those who did the "work" of taking the first person into the water to be healed. The plan of the Godhead; as to needing to honor the Son to honor the Father (v. 23) with the future resurrection covered from v. 24-29. After discussion of John in v. 36 he tells the audience that they don't know Him in v. 38. They will not come to Him (v. 40); nor have the love of God in them (v. 42). Antichrist is alluded to in v. 43 as to future worship; and Moses is said to accuse them; in v. 45 to 47. This reminds us of the story of Lazarus and the rich man in hell.

    The interrelated theme shows that it is all or nothing. If we don't love Christ; we don't love the Father; or those preaching righteousness; or even the lawgivers of the O.T. We can't love the law as Psalm 119 states or have any part in fellowship with the living God. Inexorably; the plan of God; interaction with each member of the Godhead and salvation of any soul is according to a predetermined method because of God's sovereignty. May we cry out and ask God to help us with our unbelief ( Mark 9:24)
  • Giannis - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago
    Dear Bernie

    In those verses like V24 and V25 the hole Gospel is included. Pages can be written to explain what they mean. But in a few words those who hear and believe in Jesus' word that He was sent by Father God to sacrifice Himself for people to have eternal life, then those people will not be judged by God in the Final Judgement (because they believe in Him through Jesus and have their sins erased) and will not die spiritually (that is go to hell) but live eternally with God.

    If smd has a better definition please post it.
  • Bernie on John 5 - 2 years ago
    what is the meaning of john 5:24
  • Uncelebrated - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago
    God is telling us simply that, If YOU if hear his word (Jesus) and believe on him that sent me, (The Father sent the Son Jesus Christ), hath everlasting life ( Romans 10:9), (those whom believe this fact have everlasting life, no ending this is only accomplished by Christ whom is our saviour which is eternal) and shall not come into condemnation; (condemnation from sin being removed by Jesus Hebrews 10:10 it is the devil that condemns, God convicts), but is passed from death unto life (when we were without Jesus we were dead, but were we now believe on him and his testimony, we have a new life, remembering life is in and with God).

    I hope that helps God bless.
  • Free - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago
    Dear "Bernie" those ppl who believes in Jesus will have eternal life with God in the Holy Spirit. If you read on, you will understand better. Chapter 7 and 8. Pray for wisdom or for the Lord to open the scripture to you.

    God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u in Christ
  • Bernie on John 5 - 2 years ago
    what is the explanation of john 5:24
  • Man of God - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago
    Good day i truly believe Jesus was say that if you believe in Gods words, in know that it comes from God himself, you on your way to be save from being condemn but you also have to be born again. die in the flesh, so you can live in the spirit. If i am not right please someone give more insight. I leave you in Jesus name.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago

    In John 5:24, Jesus is summarizing everything He just said by saying that you must believe in me and the one who has sent me. You have to take us together as equals. If you reject either one of us, you will be condemned!
  • Bernie on John 5 - 2 years ago
    what is the meaning of john 5:24
  • Danielle Abraham - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago
    Good evening, my answer to you question is the significance to the describing of what John saw with his own eyes. He is describing God. God is the creation of fire. His glory is so bright that John fell at his feet and did die. Fine brass is another discription of God having the best strongest feet to stand against anything because He is King of Kings, He is mighty in all ways. Hope this helped you some. you know why John fell to his death right, because no man can go before God who has sin. After God laid His hand upon John his sins were cleansed.
  • God is Wonderful to those who Seek - In Reply on John 5 - 2 years ago
    In a reference Bible there are some explanation to that passage. I'll list them:

    Isaiah 41:4, 6

    Daniel 7:13, 10:5, 7:9

    Daniel 2:18

    Revelation 19:12-16

    Alpha- beginning

    Omega- end

    I didn't see it for a long time, but one day I was reading Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew. It said, "In Beginning".

    My brain exploded.

    First Day, God created TIME for earth. God exists outside of time and inside of time. That is how He sees us "alpha" and "omega". He knows who will and who will not receive the Salvation He has prepared for us.

    PRAYER can change things or how we can accept things. The woman who tithed the widows mite, impressed Jesus.

    All of our days are recorded in a Book. Which means unborn children are known by God. He called prophets from the womb.

    Time is for weather, seasons, plant, harvest, animals mate, give birth; eggs to be hatched. It's huge just thinking about all the things that depend on time.

    Time is the one thing scientists couldn't find formulas of its origins. They have carbon dating, bigger space projects. No one is going to publish a Formula for Time.

    Genesis isn't the only place in the Bible where it speaks of Gods creation. They don't want to give God credit for it.

    "They" thought we'd understand it better if they added THE: in the beginning. Other stuff-God doesn't step in and stop car wrecks. But if we pray, we'll survive with just a little damage. He honors our free will.

    I think alpha and Omaha are Greek words.

    God has spread gold nuggets of revelation all through the Bible. Just laying there. If we read too fast, we will race past it.

    I was reading Ezekiel 37 about the bones. I know it's Israel. (I had dry bones in my life). I skimmed past where God says prophesy UPON these bones.

    The Holy Spirit tells me to prophesy. I said aloud the scriptures. Then he said, you can prophesy over YOUR dry bones!

    I'm scared to say THUS saith THE LORD. I cower while I'm thinking of dead things in my life.
  • O Dell De Vone Foley on John 5 - 2 years ago
    What is the significance of the "eyes as a flame of fire " and the "feet as fine brass burned in a furnace " in Revelation 1?
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 5:39 - 2 years ago

    Amen, the Lord is good!
  • Ruth - In Reply on John 5:39 - 2 years ago
    Thankyou Jesse

    A good reminder of how to reflect whose we are.
  • Heidi - In Reply on John 5:39 - 2 years ago
    Oh, do you mean Philippians 4:8?

    "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 5:39 - 2 years ago

    Are you looking for Philippians 4:8?
  • Ruth Winter on John 5:39 - 2 years ago
    Trying to find the scripture beginning: Whatsoever things are
  • Chris - In Reply on John 5:26 - 2 years ago
    Hi Gaudencio. What you wrote, "We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge", is indeed the very Truth that all of life on Earth is hinged upon. Since He knows the beginning from the end, with Whom there is no beginning nor end, then He must see all of His creation (including mankind & his behaviour) in that complete perspective. So what we maybe ignorant of by asking, 'why did God allow this or that, or couldn't He have prevented something from happening', is immaterial when one already sees the complete picture. We could never see it, but God has & planned for it.

    If God then created mankind to enjoy His Presence & live in a sin-free condition (as in Genesis chapters 1 & 2), it should be normal to expect God to engineer man's affairs in such a way to bring about the same sin-free, God-glorifying state which man had lost at the first (as in Revelation chapters 21 & 22). The fact that we sinned was not a surprise to God - just as the institution of the sacrificial system & finally sending His ultimate Sacrifice for mankind, was no sudden last-minute decision. God knows, that if His Love is so great & is unfathomable by us, then it has never been in His Mind to annihilate us, but to preserve us to an holy, eternal life in His Presence. What we lost to the Devil, we have now gained in Christ Jesus.

    Yet, the mystery of the Gospel still has to go out, that lost, erring souls might be saved & be made new by God's Spirit. For if they still reject God's Provision & spurn His Love to be restored to a perfect state (fully at that last day), then only God's judgement & rejection awaits them ( Revelation 20:15). So why were Adam & Eve tested? That they might know that after they had disobeyed God, that there is still a God of Love in Heaven Who has the capacity to continue to love & provide for them. And that Love, as all love, requires a response to be made complete.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 5:26 - 2 years ago
    Hello, this is a common question, but I think includes a false assumption.

    It sounds like the question is if God is all knowing He should already know all outcomes and what's the point of everything, like life and our 'choices'?

    I think what is wrong with this question is we assume God is a certain way and if it doesn't comform to our narrow understanding then we think something must be wrong.

    Here's another way to look at the question: If God is all powerful, doesn't He have the power to let us have choices? If God is all powerful, can't He choose to let things unfold on our timeline and to not need to see into the future for all outcomes?

    The Bible gives examples of God changing His mind. It's in the Bible, so either we believe the Bible or not, right?

    Exodus 32:14

    Jonah 3:10

    Genesis 6:6

    I've also heard people say things like: if God is all powerful, can't He choose to limit Himself? And if He can, then He's not all powerful, and if he can't, then He's not all powerful. I seriously heard an atheist say this claiming it 'disproves' God, but it's just another human logical fallacy. God is God and He is not confined or limited by our silly little logical shortcomings. We are the ones limited in understanding. 1 Corinthians 1:25
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on John 5:26 - 2 years ago

    Should we believe God created Adam and Eve not knowing what was going to happen? Many say it was free will they had a choice. If that, do we imply God is not in control. The first Adam was a figure of him that was to come. ( Romans 5:14) A shadow indeed! There are two Adams in the Bible The first Adam was made a living soul (being) the last Adam a quickening spirit. ( 1 Corinthians 15:44-49)

    "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven". Here we have Jesus as the second man, we know He was not the second man on earth. 1John.3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Was the first Adams purpose to start humankind or the start of the plan that Jesus, the last Adam finished that Satan could not see. There is very little in the Bible about when Satan rebelled but we know by the book of Job the angels were before this world was created. ( Job 29:3-7)

    I am sure some will disagree but I believe God placed the first Adam to do His will and it was part of God's plan that was before this world was. ( 1 Peter 1:19-20) All humans today are descendants of Adam due to the flood, the eight people on the ark came from Adam.

    God bless,

  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on John 5:26 - 2 years ago
    Gaudencio, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Romans 8:20 For the creature was made (CREATED) subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of HIM who hath subjected the same in HOPE.

    God wants Sons and Daughters that are like HIM. He gives us and EXPERIENCE of natural life so we will KNOW GOOD AND EVIL.

    Adam and Eve's sin wasn't eating a natural fruit (the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE of good and evil is within us, it's not a natural tree), we were created with a evil heart. With just a little enticement from this heart; that wasn't born of the Spirit, Eve LUSTED.

    God TEST every man to bring him to TRUTH. Without ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING. I am your life.

    The POWER and LIFE of the Father which lives in the SON was given to him by the Father. The Father then sent HIS SON to recreate all his sons and daughters into THE IMAGE OF GOD. Christ DESTROYS our EVIL heart by TRUTH and MERCY and gives us his HEART(SPIRIT). Everything given to him by the Father HE GIVES TO US.


    Philippians 1:29 For unto YOU IT IS GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but to suffer for his sake

    James 4:3 You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you might consume it upon you lusts.


    Few ask to be GIVEN HIS FAITH.

    Without HIM we CAN DO NOTHING.
  • The Terminal Generation of CHOiCE - In Reply on John 5:26 - 2 years ago
    I had to read Genesis really slow to pick up on more information.

    God made them in His image and likeness. He gave them free will to make choices.

    At that time they were spiritually alive, with soul and flesh. Eve could've obeyed God and Not eat the fruit, but she did anyway (her choice). She gave it to Adam (his choice).

    God had set time in motion when He said, IN BEGINNING. By Genesis 3:15, Adam had lost his mandate by then. That verse shows the mandate had passed onto Jesus at a future time.

    Time and Genealogy had to tick along until Jesus came to earth and was born.

    As 2nd Adam, Jesus fulfilled the mandate on the Cross by dying for the sins of all mankind. He crushed Satan's head (power).

    Satan was a Created Angel; and he has an evil will. He craved Gods glory and still thinks he can win by destroying everything and everyone God loves.

    We still have Free Will. We can choose to follow God and his Son Jesus; or follow Satan; or wander off till we die and must await the Great White Throne Judgment that God will officiate. Everyone at that judgement will understand that they chose (free will) hell, by not choosing anything at all.

    Romans 1, says that we are without excuse by not perceiving the reality of God. We didn't choose God. We made up excuses. Our choices determine our eternal location:

    Heaven or Hell.

    Nowadays, everyone screams for CHOICES. Well God gave us that right. We can choose everything EXCEPT God and find our conscious souls, eternally locked up with an insane creature that Hates God and people who chose nothing and ended locked up with Satan. No paradise, no Abrahams Bosom, just eternal suffering.

    Time is almost up. Matthew 24 is coming to life. We see the signs everywhere. Pestilence means Pandemic, in 2021. Memorize those SIGNS.

    There's a link out on the red link page, that says, Become A Christian.

    Time is ticking down to zero. Act on your choice.

  • GAUDENCIO SUMILANG SANTOS on John 5:26 - 2 years ago
    This question has been in my mind for a long time now,

    Here is my question, We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge. Did GOD know already that our first parents will committed disobedience to GOD before HE tested them? If GOD know from the beginning that EVE and ADAM will fall into the temptation of Satan, why GOD still want to test them? Why GOD did not STOP to test them, even though GOD know already that our first parents will be fall into sin?
  • BSP on John 5 - 3 years ago
    Verse 30-Jesus humbly submitted to God's will and he willingly did so. He thought it was unthinkable to even do his own will.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on John 5 - 3 years ago
    Hello George,

    I don't understand why you would want to know that. At the top of the page click on "KJV Standard" then type in whatever word you want to search for in the Bible. Have fun.
  • George Leppard on John 5 - 3 years ago
    Please list all the times that Jesus said the words "verily, verily".

    Thank You
  • Nas jones - In Reply on John 5 - 3 years ago
    Thanks it explains the Pentecostal and prosperity gospel/ church And also the catholic and cofe church.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 5 - 3 years ago
    Okay, in Jeremiah 10:9, we have a description of those given to idolatry & the extent the heathen go to to beautify their idols (maybe finding more merit by giving the idols extra honour). Such was their efforts to glorify their idols, that even their clothing was the finest ('blue & purple' - which the common man could never afford), as they worked meticulously in their wicked craft & were very skilful at it ("cunning men").

    I don't believe we can equate the colour of their clothing to anything sinister today. Some of course wish to show off their outward appearance & wealth, but the purity of one's heart & holy lives are of greater worth in the sight of God.
  • Nas jones - In Reply on John 5 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for ur reply
  • Nas jones - In Reply on John 5 - 3 years ago
    I was referring to Jeremiah 10v 9

    It was just a coincidence that I came across people wearing /dressed in blue and purple and we evidently mocking and blaspheming scriptures and using the word of God to wish evil to come to pass

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