Proverbs Chapter 16 Discussion



 
  • Ncindy946@gmail.com on Proverbs 16:3 - 1 year ago
    Roman: Remember Romans 3:23 "All have fallen short of the Glory of God". So you can run to another country if you want. But you cannot hide from evil... Unless you stay in God's grace. To be truly safe one must rest in Yahweh's arms. One who truly knows Christ is never afraid of mankind. Do you know Jesus Christ? Call on Him now. He stands at the door waiting for an invite.
  • Roman - In Reply on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    I'm looking forward to the utter downfall of man.

    Especially America, NATO & Israel. The sixth trumpet was made for them.

    After the US/Israel attack Iran's nuclear facility, I'm moving to S. America to escape. Revelation 9:15 gives me time, so while Russia is preparing their weapons of indignation, I'll be preparing as well. I don't mind dying, but not like that when I know the narrative and signs, Revelation 18:4 says "get out". I will enjoy watching the video analysis of the attack over and over. The merchants can morn America, but not me, I'll be satisfied. Oh I know, that's terrible of me to say, but that's literally the way it plays out. Jesus defeats the beast, and 42 months prior, the beast defeated America. I'm sure in hindsight, you'll be able to identify America as Mystery Babylon, with her European Babel partners, all desolate and smoking, blocking out the sun. You might even take credit, saying you had a hunch it was that bunch.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    You know Roman, Satan did rebel first and the many angels followed. But even if the angels had not begun to sin, I think that man could have just as easily rebelled all on his own without the temptation of Satan. Adam and Eve could have reasoned themselves into doubting God's word and wisdom all by themselves. They could have eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil without the wiles of Satan. But as it were, Satan was an instrument in the fall of mankind, but Adam and Eve made the choice to sin in and of themselves. They could have resisted in their innocent state, but they did not.
  • Roman - In Reply on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    If there were no angels, they'rd be no sin, oh you better stop me before I begin.
  • Sammi - In Reply on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    Excuse me please , I believe that baalzebub is or rather was , the god of Ekron . As far as I can remember , the only place we read of him in the Old Testament is in the first chapter of the second book of Kings . It's an excellent chapter concerning Ahaziah , son of the notorious Ahab , and Elijah .
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    Additional statement. I thought it prudent to mention lyrics that say that God is not angry with you (despite His being "angry with the wicked every day"); God being only love and "accepting you as you are" is at best imbalanced. God through Christ is able to accept us into the beloved but I believe theologically it is accurate to say that He grants repentance. No matter how Predestination is viewed repentance MUST be a part of salvation. I would say that there needs to be a deliberate turning from sin once the conviction of sin is found; that is our responsibility as a response of the Spirit working in our hearts. During sanctification there must CONTINUE to be repentance of sin. This once again defines the true saint; God chastises every one He loves. It is the LIFESTYLE of sin which must change; we all have struggles with sin as believers. Again; to be a true Christian we desire the Holiness of God and hence to live it out ourselves; and we are crucified with Christ; just delayed in the full fruition of it with our old bodies and desires. That is the issue for the unregenerate; they often follow Christ as though He is a "good teacher"; and His moral behaviors externally for social favor; status or their own pride.

    Those in darkness hate the light; we all start off fearful of God and enemies of Him as well. Thos who truly know Christ now will fall on the "Rock" and those who don't will be crushed by it someday; much like the analogy of all the Kingdoms being crushed once Christ returns in Daniel (again; sorry not to have the cross references at present).

    The sign of the times; of course is that so many deny basic doctrinal tenets; and in particular a literal hell. There are warnings for those who feel comfortable because God doesn't exact punishment speedily (this is due to His desiring no one to perish). In any case; whatever our doctrinal stance is on Predestination or free will (or both); God is just and a set number saved or damned.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    This is a verse less commonly known relating to Predestination. There are verses in the N.T. on different "vessels" to fulfill God's purposes; at any rate God recieves the glory no matter what (my computer data is compromised so I am not as readily able to give these cross references). This comment brings to mind the concept of "irresistible grace". I prefer the term "effectual calling". We have the verses such as Thessalonians (again you can look up the reference) of those who don't LOVE the truth and believe "the Lie" which essentially means worship of Antichrist and rejection of Christ after the Rapture. There are very few who outwardly blaspheme the Holy Spirit such as the Pharisees who accused Christ of doing things in the power of "Beelzebub" or basically the Devil. This certainly demonstrates that they were aware there is a spirit in Christ; and none of the healings were ever criticized as to their veracity. The case of Spurgeon wo basically stated that we should bend over backwards to keep people from glibly going to their destruction in hell; or Whitfield that despite believing in Election would pray weeping for hours before preaching show that despite such knowledge of the fate of the wicked we should certainly preach fervantly (if anything not knowing who eventually will heed the call). We also need to remember that even with Judas Iscariot who was prophesied and known to Christ despite his selection for him to be a Disciple to be the "son of perdition"; Jesus dipped the sop before the betrayal; signifying that indeed he was betrayed by his friend.

    The bigger concern is those who appear to be sheep but are in reality goats. You shall "know them by their fruits" and those who are not His sheep don't seem to struggle with sin; and/or their true desires are clearly with the world. (A "form of godliness but denying the power thereof-we are told to AVOID such people). Cristian media and megachurches like to deny the wrath side of God.
  • KPDXHAMM on Proverbs 16:33 - 2 years ago
    "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Just think. If there was no sin there would be no need for a savior! I believe that only those who respond to the Spirit of God and believe the Gospel and repent will be saved. Link
  • BSP on Proverbs 16:25 - 2 years ago
    Verse 18 shows that we don't want to be cocky and think too much of ourselves because this has led to the downfall of many and it can lead to our ultimate downfall in life.
  • D W L on Proverbs 16 - 2 years ago
    Proverbs 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

    Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    Proverbs 16:7 -- I have heard this quoted and applied as Gospel to everyday living. If it were so Jesus wouldn't have died and rose again. If it were so Peter and John wouldn't have been beaten.

    Psalms 37:25 King David said I have never seen the righteous forsaken or Gods seed begging bread. Luke 16:21 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, --- David didn't lie (he said I) have never seen - But that wasn't gospel what Jesus said was.
  • JESEELEEADKINS on Proverbs 16 - 2 years ago
    Who's the Holy Spirit guiding Today into Gods Holy Pathway or His hands which will transports all believers into The New Jerusalem or the Eternal Land of the living of our eternal savior and Lord JESUS Christ of Nazareth, that to no end we may all began to enjoy our life eternal in the New Earth.
  • JESEELEEADKINS on Proverbs 16 - 2 years ago
    Who's the Holy Spirit guiding Today into Gods Holy Pathway or His hands which will transports all believers into The New Jerusalem or the Eternal Land of the living of our eternal savior and Lord JESUS Christ of Nazareth, that to end we may all began to enjoy our life eternal in the New Earth.
  • Overwhelmed - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    Technology is a wonderful thing to abusers. They use parental features to block phone numbers. They can use passwords to block access to bank accounts and track browsing history. They know, to the tenth of a mile the distance to the grocery, and they can look at the mileage to know if you deviated, and they can fake financial records at premarital counseling.

    We were introduced by a common friend. He had considered her. They worked together for years, but he knew her divorce left her financially shaky, and the entire reason for picking someone out was to have their salary to solve his problems.

    I had no where to go. Shelters don't take pets, and my church had no help, so I went to stay with friends, who became angry that I didn't hate him. I suspect he is bipolar, as it runs in his family, though his immediate family doesn't admit it. I tried to get him to a physician, and he refused. An uncle was hospitalized in the 60's, and his mother was brutal. I tried to explain it is a medical issue, to no avail. But, I left my friends, who consider themselves Good Catholics (I am not Catholic), because they were angry that I refused to hate him. He has a mental illness. I'd never trust or live with him again. But, it isn't Christian behavior to hate or wish him ill/dead. In the end, they treated me exactly as he had, which hurt more. They gossiped to friends. They tried to give my things away, because in their opinion, I didn't need them. They made scenes in stores. They considered me unable to make decisions about my life because I had picked him, after all. They threw my things in storage, keeping something incredibly important. They criticized everything I said or did, and if I said something, I was playing the victim or too sensitive. It is always my fault, never their fault.

    Churches have no plan for abuse. Leaving is the easy part. It is trying to recover that is a LONG hard process. Almost 2 years now, and nowhere near recovered.
  • Spiritual and Not Spritual - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    I've been bitten by that same snake.

    1 Corinthians 12. Ask The Holy Spirit for the gift, Discerning of Spirits. It's not a weapon or a toy. It helps us to see either, God or Satan.

    Actually reading massive amounts of scripture will enable us to spot good fruit or rotting fruit. It doesn't give us a license to be fruit inspectors.

    Jesus said, The Tree (himself), is known by its fruit. Jesus doesn't produce fruits like: doubts, suspicion, counter-offense, etc.

    Count yourself fortunate to have escaped. Now you are much wiser, and will have the patience to do it the Bible way. In Jewish culture, the engaged couple waited a full year before the marriage ceremony was announced.

    People nowadays, don't do that. They marry knowing nothing about how the other person earns their money, saves it, pays their bills on time, spending habits, tithes, makes offerings, etc. what if Mary had mended Joseph's clothes and he railed, that the stitches were too big and loose? Details matter to each partner. Looking and acting spiritual, does not make them spiritual behind the front door.

    The Bible shows us repeatedly in numerous "couples stories", what makes a good marriage. That door swings both ways. It shows us what God expects from husbands as well. Again.. ask what is the fruit?! Learn to break it off with the fakers. Men must produce the fruit of Jesus.

    If your personal relationship to the Holy Spirit is

    Strong and Close, you will never be fooled again.

    In our culture, it's called Dating. We date to see how the other behaves at church, giving, donating time to church or civic activities. This goes for the ladies too). Management of money. Faithfulness to country, church, family, employer, children, community, help of less fortunate ( Matthew 25)

    In my experience, you cannot mend broken wings, nor Broken People. Only God can do that.

    Some people are born broken and do not comprehend unbroken life. Don't bring home stray puppies.
  • Overwhelmed - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    Or physically? I think abuse is abuse, no matter what the form, and nitpicking about it isn't abuse if the thrown dish doesn't hit you, but it is if it hits you is ridiculous. Is it abuse if he hurts the dogs because he knows it hurts you?

    I know in my church, I can't remarry as long as he is alive, but I'm not sure I'd ever want to remarry. I married later in life. I don't know if I could trust someone again. My husband attended church, before we ever met, for years. He went to Bible studies. Everyone thought he was a wonderful Christian man. They didn't know the secrets he hid, and few believe me now. But, great abusers are excellent actors. His lies fell apart a few years after we were married, and because he seemed so stable, I was the person who was to blame.

    And, he was very good at drawing my family, with whom I didn't have a good relationship, into his schemes. My mother and sister are very jealous of my academic achievements. When I tried to leave, my mother would promise to help, then tell him or not show up. My sister would promise to help, but would promise inappropriate help, si my refusal was an excuse to withdraw completely. They both made it clear I deserved abuse.

    The Bible also assumes people in your church want to help. If your house burned down, they would, but not with abuse. Abuse is part of a private relationship, and people chose sides. The "I don't believe it, she is lying," and the "throw him out of church." Also, recovering from abuse doesn't happen in a week, and people will not stick around for the long haul. I've never been so disappointed in my church. Even when he admitted abuse, the thought was I drove him to it because he had been such a nice man prior to our marriage. Never mind that he married me only because he was in severe financial straits, and my salary was to bail him out.

    The church doesn't know how to hand abuse, beyond "don't do it again." And, it starts with pastors educating the congregation,
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    Thank you JR. I am praying right now for the Lord to be with you both & for a real love & understanding to re-enter your marriage. Please don't suffer this in silence; there are probably others reading your story who are also bringing you both before the Lord. Share your agony with a friend or someone you can really trust, so that you never feel alone - otherwise this can be very soul destroying, leading to further problems.

    The Lord is the One Who fully understands & can completely heal; look to Him constantly for strength & continue to exercise faith believing that He is working on your behalf. With the Lord, nothing is impossible. Always know that you are special & precious to Him, in spite what anyone might say or do to hurt or undermine your character. Rejoice in that, live for Jesus, & exude Christ's Love & understanding as your witness to all. Remember, with Jesus at your side giving you wisdom & strength, you can do all things (in the physical, emotional & spiritual realms) to live above the griefs & burdens of life. Philippians 4:13.
  • JR - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for this insightful reply. I will read the scriptures you referenced. Please pray God's Will to be done concerning my marriage.
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    The Scripture that makes the matter of divorce clear, is Jesus' Own Words in Matthew 19:3-8, where He stated that divorce was never in God's Plan in the union of man & woman but was only permitted on the grounds of fornication; i.e. where the marriage bed was defiled because of the infidelity of one partner who broke the holy union of the "two becoming one flesh".

    And since an illegal divorce opens the way for both parties to consider re-marriage, then this too results in breaking God's Commandment concerning an adulterous relationship. So we turn to the Apostle Paul who, in 1 Corinthians 7:3-5, gives a further comment for believers. They ought to remember that Christian couples now equally share in each other's lives & that a proper response of "benevolence" (love, respect, kindness) to be shown to each other.

    Verse 5: Paul instructed those who had marriage problems to "not defraud (deprive) each other (of this benevolence)". But in a state of hopelessness, they could separate for a time, being in prayer & fasting, seeking help & healing of their matters from the Lord. The whole point of this was to prevent the marriage from being dissolved & that all steps should be taken for both to stay together & have their differences healed & their love & respect return.

    You write of one being emotionally abused. I would say that the offender needs to be made aware of his/her callous actions. If no consideration is given or change seen, then professional counselling would be next (from the Pastor or another counsellor). If this attitude still persists, then seek a separation for a time using it to consider the damage being done to the other & gain help & guidance from the Lord. If all fails, I would say that a final separation or a divorce is in order as ongoing verbal abuse is just one step short of physical abuse, though realizing that after this, neither spouse can re-marry again, at least from the biblical instructions we learn on this matter. The Lord be with you.
  • JR on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    What does the Word say about whether or not divorce is allowed if your spouse emotionally abuses you?
  • Dorine McCray Spencer on Proverbs 16 - 3 years ago
    So we must keep in mind that our Lord Almighty is the only Commanding chief that's in full control of everything and have always been also who gives correct instructions to all who Trust in him and to call upon his name to obey and to do what we was called to do that it's not about us it's about bringing Glory to his name in all the work we do while still passing through in the mighty name of Jesus Amen
  • BSP on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    Verse 18-God opposes those who are haughty and eventually they will experience a downfall.
  • Geraldine cole on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    Whatever the lord jesus will is .that is what will happen there is nothing else to say!!!!
  • Tomas on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    i love it this should all be in a bible king james arrive from the dead and start working.
  • Rob on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    Psalm 65.4

    Blessed is the man whom thou chooses , and causest to approach unto thee , that he may dwell in they courts : we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house , even of thy Holy temple .

    Jesus also said no man can come unto me except God draws him .

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom .
  • Rob - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    I can't think of a replacement for the word Holiness , but it speaks to me of purity And perfection , no darkness , no evil , no sin , nothing that defiles or makes unclean .

    More can be said of course , this is my first impression.
  • Marcia Delpratt on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    What is holiness
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 16:3 - 4 years ago
    Kathy, the Proverbs are generally individual words of wisdom or proverbial truths, but sometimes we see some connections, as in Proverbs 16:2,3.

    Verse 2: man's perception of himself & his actions will be deemed as correct & honourable but the Lord does not see as man does, for God weighs (or, takes into account, measures) the inner thoughts or motives of man.

    In contrast we see in verse 3: when that man does not justify his actions by his own reckoning (v2) rather commits his works (his deeds, plans, designs) to the Lord, then even his thoughts (what man plans to do further as a result of first looking to the Lord) will be confirmed & established by the Lord.

    The Truth here is that when the child of God first seeks the Lord, committing his actions to Him, then he can trust the Lord to bring it to pass even when he feels that he may be doing things from his own mind. The act of calling upon the Lord & trusting Him to work on one's behalf will mean that the Lord will also lead him throughout that endeavour.

    Some associated Scriptures that give weight to this Truth are in: Psalm 37:4,5; Proverbs 3:5,6; Luke 12:30,31.

    Scriptures regarding our thoughts: Romans 12:2; Philippians 4:8.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    I was in the Prayer request room, praying with someone who was terrified her mother would get, or already had COVID. Very high state of anxiety. I like praying with people, so don't pay any attention to those comments.

    I don't know why this website doesn't fix it so prayers aren't published all over the planet. :/
  • Mishael - In Reply on Proverbs 16:3 - 4 years ago
    These are really good posts stored below the Commentary Section on this website.

    Paula on Proverbs 16:3 5 years ago

    The Oxford dictionary has one definition of commit as "1. to hand over, as for safekeeping charge entrust: to commit a child to the care of its aunt. " That definition sounds more like what our Lord wants - us to hand over our plans or work for safekeeping - and to entrust Him for the outcome. It 's more Fatherly. When I saw this definition, I wanted to commit my plans to Him because I know they are in good hands. I now like the word instead of rebelling against it - I felt it was more like restricting freedom before.

    Sam on Proverbs 16:3. 5 yrs ago

    Doing good According to God 's will, working heartily at pleasing God and not man, being fully engaged in the principles of God and he will instruct you and give you wisdom and success.

    Amenjay on Proverbs 16:3. 6 yrs ago

    IS OUR LORD GOD WHO GIVETH POWER TO MAKE WEALTH SO AS WE COMMIT OUR WORK OF FAITH WITH WORK OF OUR HANDS UNTO HIM THAN OUR LIFE PATH WILL BE SURELY DIRECTED, ALL BY HIS GRACE

    Explore this website. Don't be shy. :)
  • Mishael - In Reply on Proverbs 16 - 4 years ago
    I had never seen this website before. It has some really great ideas on being ready to search for a Christian woman to share your life with. Here's a a tiny portion:

    " 1) Pursue the Lord with all of your heart

    This might seem contrary to the objective, but it is actually primary in reaching it. Before a man finds a godly woman, he first finds the living God. He begins to long to glorify Jesus Christ with his life and sees Christ as infinitely valuable and worth all of his time and energy ( 1 Corinthians 10:31). A godly woman will not settle for anything less! She wants a man that could be a spiritual leader for her, a man that she can respect ( 1 Peter 3:1). So be a man after God's own heart and don't look back!"

    You might google CBMW dot org to read the rest of it.

    I agree with you in prayer for a companion and wife. 1 Corinthians 7 shows us that marriage is a good thing. The story of Isaac and Rebekah's courtship (Genesis) will give you joy. Blessings on your future marriage.


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