Genesis Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • AngelEverett - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Thank you , Chris for your thoughts. I do find it intriguing that the world doesn't just say "ceased" but rested. Something perhaps will know about one day.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Chris, glad to have you back.

    So great to have had such a memorable vactaion.
  • Wkrimes - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Once his creational intention was fulfilled, he ceased creating. We can understand this cessation of work as "rest," as long as it is not abstracted from his work that was previously underway. Furthermore, God's rest is not rest from all work, but rest from the particular work of creation.

    The Hebrew word translated "rested" in Genesis 2:2 includes other ideas than that of being tired. One of the main definitions of the Hebrew word Shabbat is "to cease or stop." In Genesis 2:2 the understanding is that God "stopped" His work; He "ceased" creating on the seventh day. All that He had created was good, and His work was finished.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Thanks brother Jesse. We did have a very enjoyable & profitable time visiting relatives & friends in the UK; especially a grand nephew & grand niece whom we hadn't met before. I also had time whilst traveling to view this Site & the comments given, but not enough to set aside to engage in any extended discussion. Every blessing to you brother & to all the dear folk gathering here, lifting up the Lord before all, as well as His precious Word that is able to enlighten hearts & minds with God's Truths.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Brother Chris,

    Welcome back. I missed seeing you here. I hope you had an enjoyable vacation. God Bless!!!
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Hello AngelEverett. When we look at Genesis 2:1-3, we see that the Hebrew word used in this instance, is 'Shabath', from which we get 'Sabbath'. And the meaning in these verses, as also wherever God commands His people, Israel, to rest on the Sabbath day, is that they also are to do as He did. And that is, to cease or desist from all work. When we look at the six days of creation, we can believe that everything that God wanted to create, took place in those first six days - no more creative acts took place. When the six days ended, God rested, or ceased from all His 'creative' Work, as nothing more needed to be done.

    When the children of Israel were instructed in this matter (e.g. Exodus 31:12-17), they too were to behave as their LORD did; they could work as much as they wanted to, even to the point of exhaustion, in the first six days, but had to set apart the Sabbath to desist from all work, to rest & recuperate in readiness for the 'new week'. God is Spirit & as such never tires, unlike us who are in the flesh & will always need time off to regain our strength & focus. Therefore, as He ceased from His Work after it was all done and saw that it was very good, He instructed His people to do likewise & to sanctify the day (to set it apart as one dissimilar to any other day of toil & other activities). And this keeping of the Sabbath was a clear sign to Israel that they belonged to Him; no other people on Earth received this 'perpetual covenant' - and to this day Israel adheres very strictly to it. Now if only Israel would receive their Messiah & put their faith in Him alone, things would have been a lot different for them (then & now) as God's special people.
  • AngelEverett on Genesis 2 - 9 months ago
    Would love to hear thoughts on why God rested. Did He need to rest? Was He celebrating His creation?
  • MARIAPELAEZ#77 on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Verleen, This is for the questions asked about the Holy Ghost. I am a messianic believer of Jesus {Yashua is his real name, Ya=God. Shua=Salvation} I pray I can clarify some of your doubts.

    1.{ John 3:16} God so loved the world, that he sent his only begotten son, that whoever believed on him shall not perish but have everlasting life, this is Jesus who was, and still is the savior of mankind, he came to teach us on how we can have everlasting life. he gave us the example that we should be baptized as he was. The Holy Spirit descended upon him and abode in him, { Luke 4:1}, {Mathew 3:16} this was necessary for him to begin his ministry to the people of Israel. It was through the Holy spirit that he performed the miracles mentioned in the Bible. { Mark 5:41} and by whom he taught with authority.

    2. The New Testament Church became to being through the four Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, these four were witnesses, of Jesus's Divine teachings. Jesus, he told them he will send his Holy Spirit, { John 14:26}, { Acts 2:4}, { Acts 4:31}

    Here again, the Holy Spirit enabled them to perform miracles and teach others {also the Gentiles} about the Kingdom of God. { Acts 10:19}

    3. There are true Believers who worship God, in truth and in the Spirit, for God is a Spirit so we must worship in the Spirit. This of course is after believing that God sent his Son, as the word says, that whoever believes in Jesus as our Savior must be Baptized in his real name, as the Hebrew Bible instructs us, his name is "Yashua" He is a newborn person, therefore, this born-again person will also receive the Holy Spirit. {Psalm32:8}, { John 16:13}, { john 3:5}. I hope that these verses from the Bible, will help you understand the Importance the Holy Spirit has had in the life of Jesus in his teachings, the New Testament brought about by the four gospels of the Apostles, and to our very own lives today. This is a wonderful promise given to us who believe in the Savior, { Numbers 23;19} God Bless you.
  • Verleen S Innis on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    1.what role did th Holy Ghost play in the life of Christ? 2. What role did the Holy Ghost play in development of the New Testament Church? 3. what roles dose the Holy Ghost play in the lives of people today? thank you for your answer helping me to uderstand. Question.
  • Larry on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    what is the name of the forbidden

    fruit of knowledge of the fruit ADAM AND EVE DID EAT
  • Tonia Bixler on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    I like listening makes my heart feel good.
  • Tonia Bixler on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    I love listening to the reading of the bible. I learn from it. And I learn how to pronounce some of the hard words and learn about God and I enjoy listening.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    I suppose we might never know conclusively how Adam knew that this woman was made from a part of his body. It seems likely though that as he awoke out of deep sleep & whether or not the marks of this first recorded surgery was evident on him, God may have told Adam who this new person was & where she came from, when He presented her to him ( Genesis 2:22). That new special creation that came from his own body would have especially endeared Adam to Eve and Eve to Adam, truly making them one flesh; he even naming her Eve (Heb. 'ishshah'), for out of 'ish' (man) she was created.
  • Gizzmoo on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    How did Adam know that it was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh?
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hi Benjamin. In Habakkuk 2:4, the subject is the "just" person, the one who is righteous & lives carefully before God; as opposed to the one described in that verse & following verses (here, the Babylonians are intended): one who is haughty, given to drink, uses unethical practises, & with an unsatiable appetite. So in Habakkuk, and looking up the Hebrew for that verse, it seems that the righteous one will live his life with stedfastness & faithfulness, unlike the proud & haughty who is self-centered, lusting for more wealth, power & kingdoms (as were the Babylonians).

    Then in Galatians 3:11, I believe the focus is on the Faith that is acceptable by God which is not law-dependent. When the Law was given to Israel, they had to obey it to the letter, coupled with various sacrifices offered to cover them whenever they failed - and fail they did. But when Jesus came, the Law that only led to the Jew's condemnation & death, was cast aside, simply because the Sacrifice of Jesus was God's Sacrifice & Gift to us and not man's sacrifice to God for pardon. The shed Blood of Jesus that required the sinner to accept & believe (i.e. coming to God in faith), could never be mixed in with the Law that had no saving power & could never give life ( Galatians 3:21,22).

    Therefore, when the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:11 quotes from Habakkuk 2:4, I feel that he is highlighting the main point of that verse - that of the righteous living by the faith that is in him, and not specifically about the origin of that faith, even as he referred to Abraham's faith (that was apart from the Law).
  • Alex1939 - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Alex 1939...Hiya Benjamin...Good question, hope i can help you...But its in the spritual realm...As Faith is the result of his word planted in our hearts...The living word is that good seed that forms Christ in us...In the spiritual realm ....As the scripture says faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word ( the living word ) of God...His voice,...Today if you will hear his voice...Its like a spritual pregnancy the Child is the H.G...The kingdom...Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in Thats y Hebrews 11:1 tells us Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....Jesus tells us unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Thats y he has to know us so he can plant his incorruptible seed in our hearts initiating a spritual pregnancy of Christ in us...But there is a time of gestation thats when we walk by faith and not by sight...We have the substance of things hoped for the Spirit the H.G...But we also have the evidence of things not seen Faith....Faith is truly a spritual pregnancy that preceeds a heavenly birth of Christ in us... Gal 4:19 my lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you...We cannot see the Child the H.G that Child of Promise he is just a spritual infant that cannot speak for a while...But he is the anointing that spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations As in John 16:13

    ......But until the Kingdom comes we walk by faith and not by sight...As jesus said the kingdom comes not with observation simply b/c its in the spritual realm.

    .....She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nation and her Child was caught up to God and to his Throne... Rev 12:5.....This woman in Rev. 12 is the best example of faith... b/f her Child came she had the subtance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen ISAIAH 66:7..B/F she traviled she brought forth, b/f her pains came she was delivered of aman Child.
  • Benjamin Butler on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    At Gal. 3:11 It is written that the just shall live by faith.

    At Habakkuk 2:4. It is written that the just shall live by his faith?

    Should the scriptures say: (live by faith). or should it say: (live by his faith)?

    I trust that you understand what it is that I'm asking; so if you have an answer, please inform me as to what the true meaning of these Scriptures are?
  • Keeganlovesgod999 on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    I'm now just starting to read thou bible and it is great
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hi Gigi.

    You were speaking of his free will, I see it now.

    Thanks for your reply.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dante.

    Now I see you what you are suggesting.

    "Adam purposely bit of the forbidden fruit so he would be in the same condition as Eve.

    That is a view that some hold.

    Who knows?

    The view is that Adam knew exactly what he was doing. He rather chose to join her in her predicament than to be without her.

    They draw this from

    1 Timothy 2:11-15 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

    AND ADAM WAS NOT DECEIVED, BUT THE WOMAN BEING DECEIVED WAS IN THE TRANSGRESSION.

    Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety".

    Again, Who knows?

    God bless.
  • Dante - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Gigi,

    First, thanks for your thoughts. Your agreement with some of my views, such as there was a DECISION by God, indicates something quite surprising in Genesis that I cannot untangle yet.

    In my view, there are two questions. It seems Adam COULD have eaten of the tree of life either prior to the tree of knowledge or after he became a man, but prior to God's discovery.

    At the time of Adam's eating of the fruit, he knew two things:

    1. Eve would surely die

    2. If He ate, he too would surely die.

    The LORD God said so.

    Yet, even still, Adam at of the fruit. While the Bible does not express motivation, I state that a consistent and supported interpretation is that Adam decided that he would rather bind his fate to his other half, and die, than to have Eve die while he lived.

    To me, that is a very beautiful thought, and it makes life meaningful, that EVEN with death, the alternative of living a life without love is WORSE than living life with it, and dying. That the life of half a man is not meaningful, and ONLY with the union with woman, is life worth it.

    It is my view there are elements to Genesis that support this notion. And furthermore, there can be nothing that gives solace to our mortal lives than that realization. That LOVE is more important even than eternal death.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hi S.Spencer. I meant what I said, that Adam and Eve were indeed free to eat from any tree in the garden, but we commanded not to eat of the tree of knowledge. They were free to choose to obey or not. So that is why I said they were free to eat of any tree in the garden, but were also forbidden to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I was referring to their free agency, having a freedom to will what they wished. But that freedom led them to disobey. Adam and Eve were the only humans to truly have completely free agency (apart from Jesus). Everyone descended from Adam and Eve (except Jesus) had a fallen nature and their agency is depraved compared to Adam and Eve before they sinned. All of us since Adam are conceived being enslaved by the sin nature and cannot on our own free will turn to God, obey Him, nor even seek Him unless He draws us, the Spirit regenerates us, and Jesus gives us His righteousness.

    Hope this helps clear up my prior post.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dante.

    You are right in saying God didn't command Adam not to eat of the tree of life, He commanded they couldn't eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as mentioned here in Genesis 2:16-17.

    "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

    But how do we know that they didn't eat of the tree of life BEFORE they disobeyed?

    Here's all we have that is written.

    Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, ((TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL)): and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    Perhaps God forbidden them from eating of the tree of life AFTER their disobedience.

    The results of their disobedience is that they knew they were naked and they tried to cover themselves. Now naked is also used throughout scripture to mean " Sin exposed" Here's one of several.

    Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    These garments is the covering of the blood of Christ. "White robes"

    Christ was ordained to come into the world before the world began, to be the sacrificial Lamb. For Adam too!

    Scipture doesn't say Adam "BECAME" naked after he disobeyed.

    Scripture says he KNEW he was naked after he disobeyed.

    See here ;

    Genesis 3:10-11 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

    And he said, WHO TOLD THEE THAT THOU WAST NAKED? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

    I believe the issue is what would he do with that knowledge!

    They tried to cover up their guilt and shame with the product of their own efforts. This may have been the first attempt at a works salvation.

    Just my thoughts.

    GB.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hi Gigi.

    I'm sure you meant to say Adam and Eve was forbidden to eat of every tree BUT the tree of Knowledge of good and evil, correct?

    Genesis 2:16-17. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    BUT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THOU SHALT NOT EAT OF IT: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    God bless.
  • Dante - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hello,

    I would state it is not that they ate of the tree of knowledge in preference to the tree of life, but merely they ate of the tree of knowledge for whatever motivations compelled them.

    Whether they ate of the tree of life, it seems was not within God's control, but left to Adam and Eve.

    It seems to me, for instance, there was time between the eating of the tree of knowledge and God's understanding they had. During this time, through whatever mechanism, they could have eaten of the tree of life. Or, even before. There is no indication of anything to prevent them from having done that.

    Indeed, God decided to remove Adam and Eve from the garden LEST they eat of the tree of life. Which to me means it was a possibility they would in God's assessment, but only they had not.

    This is one of my thoughts. Adam and Eve could have eaten of the tree of life in the time starting their residence in the Garden of Eden, and when the LORD God decided to evict them. Indeed, the LORD decided to evict Adam and Eve lest they eat of the tree of life. An outcome he decided he did not want, as they too would become like Gods. And the LORD did not want that, a decision he made.

    My thinking is these words mean that it was unknown to God whether or not Adam and Eve would have eaten of the tree of life. God stated there were no consequences to it, OR they could have eaten of it after Eve's "seduction" by the serpent.

    Thus, from the LORD'S perspective, it would have been possible for Adam and Eve to have eaten of the Tree of Life either before or after their taking of the tree of knowledge.

    This to me is intensely meaningful. I also think it is at minimum not contradicted by the words: in fact, it is supported.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Hello Dante, I agree that Adam and Eve were free to eat of the tree of life, just as they were free to eat of any other tree in the garden, even the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They opted to eat of the one tree forbidden to them instead of eating from the tree of life. I don't know it they knew that this tree would make them immortal or not. But they opted not to eat of it prior to eating of the tree forbidden to them. They desired what they were not supposed to have and broke God's good commandment to them instead of being satisfied with all of the fruit from the other trees in the garden, including the tree of life.

    In just looking at what Genesis says, we are not given information about what Adam and Eve thought or the motives of their hearts even. We can infer about these, but we truly don't know their hearts, bit God did. Eve did say that she saw that the fruit of this tree was good for foo, was pleasant to the eyes, and desirable to make one wise when the serpent tempted her. Other than that, we do not know what Adam and Eve's true relationship with God was like nor how much they knew about Him. they did not know what sin was until they sinned. And most likely did not know about the evil one.
  • Dante - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for your thoughts, Gerald. I'm trying to the way I read and think about Genesis to Genesis itself.

    Regarding the tree of life:

    Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    I take from this that it was within Adam's power to eat of the tree of life at any time.

    To prevent Adam from eating of the tree, God kicks Adam out of the garden for the express purpose of preventing him from eating from the tree of life:

    Genesis 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, . . .

    This seems plain to me, that Adam could have eaten of the tree of life, but had not, and the LORD God decided to prevent him from being able to.

    Would you agree Adam could have, but had not, and that the LORD decided to prevent him from eating of the tree?
  • Gerald - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Man is the head of the woman or wife as God is the head of the man .

    Only God is incorruptible . Therefore anything that God created being not God is or can be corrupted .

    Man was not created corrupted nor was it Gods will that man be corrupted ( and die) For it is written " Man shall not LIVE by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God "

    The Word of God to Adam was " of all the trees in the garden you may freely eat "

    This then included the tree of life .

    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt surely die for in the day you eat of you shall surely die "

    Thus God revealed HIS will for man that he should live and not die .

    Moreover God also revealed that man was free to eat of the tree of life .

    Thus God by that word that came forth from His mouth gave Adam His knowledge of what was good to eat and what was evil to eat .

    It was the rejection of Gods word as to what is good and what is evil and believing the lie' thou shalt not surely d" that they died .

    Man is still doing that which is right or good in his own eyes and in doing so is faced with its consequences .

    God is not a tyrant . Nor indeed is He democratic .

    But while He is not a tyrant nor democratic He does have His own imperatives .

    You MUST be born again ,"not of corruptible seed but of the incorruptible seed which is the Word of God "

    For by one man's disobedience all die .

    Likewise by one man's obedience do all men live .
  • Dante - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for your thoughts. I'm trying to limit myself to the words in Genesis, not as those clarified and/or modified in later texts.

    From my reading of Genesis, there was nothing stated that prevented Adam or Eve from eating of the tree of life. That to me is an important point in my personal interpretation of Genesis.

    Projecting, as I read Genesis, that Adam chose mortality to eternity without Eve is supported as an interpretation. It's an interpretation that has much meaning to me.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply on Genesis 2 - 1 year ago
    alex1939...Interesting Dante...Lemme give ya my slant on these 2 trees...One is the written word the bible the mana that is good for bread that we may eat all we want...As there a zillion Churches on every corner...But Jesus said your fathers ate of that bread from heaven and are all dead..This Tree of knowledge answers to the tree of Knowledge that New Covenant that cannot be eaten till the book is opened that Jesus wrote with his own blood...I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest and their sins and iniquities will i remember no more..Thats the New Covenant that answers to Jeremiah 31 :34...That Book that he wrote with his own blood...As Isaiah said this KNOWLEGE IS GONNA COVER THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEAS...An intimacy with God that is gona result in the Children of the Kingdom...An thus a flood of his spirit which is the H.G. Our fruit unto God via that tree of Knowlege..Our new heart and new spirit...Thus no body cd eat of this tree of knowledge till Jesus shed his blood on calvary...Thats y he has to Know us a Spiritual knowledge...But we cd not partake of this knowledge that tree of Knowledge ETC

    .....These 2 trees were in the midst of the Garden of God...But now under this New Covenant these 2 trees are planted in our hearts....As Jesus said the good ground is your hearts where that good seed will be sown...Thus under this NEW covenant the kingdom will be with in us...Which answers to that Tree of knowledge in the midst of our hearts that Garden of God...Thus we answer to Eve that is symbolic of the Church the bride...Bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh...And her Children are spirits the H.G. that is gona be as the stars of heaven in multitudes...as Jesus said...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in..This tree of Knowledge is gona result in the Children of the Kingdom...As Jesus said the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom...Thus an Israel of God..From the Tree of Knowledge.


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