To Brother Ronald Whittemore & others. I'm unable to respond to Ronald's last response to me, as the Reply button is missing (probably purposely done to limit the comments in that thread). So this one comes as a new Thread to address those matters.
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Thanks again Ronald, and I note that you would like a recess on this discussion. But if I might briefly address the Scriptures you shared & why I believe that they don't answer the question, 'was Jesus' first appearance only from the womb of Mary, or did He exist in another Form within the Person of God?'
To your references:
1 Corinthians 15:47: "the second man is the Lord from Heaven" (not a Man Who became Lord, Who went into Heaven & then returned to Earth as Lord from Heaven - but the Lord Who was in Heaven & came to Earth, unlike the first man, Adam, Who was created from the Earth & back to the Earth he went).
1 Timothy 2:5: yes, Jesus is the Mediator now between God & mankind after His ascension.
Matthew 1:20, Acts 17:31, Revelation 12:5: yes again, all point to Jesus as a Man/Babe Who came from God - but no direct reference to any previous existence.
Hebrews 1:5: indeed, Jesus became the Son of God by virtue of this miraculous Birth, but then God would have created another god, because 'all the angels of God are to worship Him'; & none can receive worship but God alone. You asked, "How could God say I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son if Jesus eternally existed with the Father?" Because God took His Word & gave Flesh to that Word, and this Flesh was brought into the World by the Work of God, which made this One called Jesus, God's Son. Jesus only became the Son of God at the Incarnation.
Hebrews 2:7: Jesus was made "a little lower than the angels" by virtue of His Humanity. It seems there is an order of created beings before God: the angels being above humanity, of which Jesus was made, thus subjecting Him to being our equal.
Paul Washer has brought up a point often said that we should always reflect on regarding the crucifixion. Namely; the Lord's suffering was primarily because He had to take on the sins of all His elect which was far greater agony than the crucifixion. I don't have the date of the sermon I saw the other day but he also mentioned how many saints have died and rejoiced during martyrdom so that clearly Christ had a burden none of us who are believers ever will have to endure. Having the Father turn away after eternal fellowship beforehand is incomprehensible; this explains why it was a done deal when He said "it is finished". For all eternity in the future He will be exalted and no longer suffer as He did for that brief moment in history.
This situation is the ultimate mind bender to comprehend. How could God be angry with His Son who was also fully God? This was due; of course to the counsel of God or as Deuteronomy 29:29 states part of the "hidden counsel of God" which we mortals cannot peer into at least in full. He took on what we deserved; and if it weren't for this; we all would spend eternity separated from God in hell with all unregenerate sinners. To be more precise; God directed His wrath at Christ who was the sin bearer for us. In His omnipotence He surely knew that in the future His Son would be restored; resurrected and once again rule with Him.
There are no words to describe what was done in our behalf as our Redeemer.
With this in mind; when we see the incident mentioned with Ananias and Sapphira; or here admonitions that some die taking communion unworthily we certainly don't have any room for anything but humble adoration and fear of the Lord. Greiving the Spirit is something a believer can relate to; whereas the world at large has no appetite for the Lord; His love or His righteousness no matter how carefully they try to bend it to their own imaginations of a humanistic or idyllic world.
I am lost on this question . I can't seem to find if and where it says this in the Bible.... Please help.
I hear Preachers saying that when we die and Christian that we go straight to Heaven .
I have found John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
And what don't help me is reading that when Jesus comes back and rise the dead in Christ .... Who is he raising if we are already in Heaven ?
I also found where Jesus said that we we die it is as sleeping , and would be as a second to the dead when God comes for them
Please anyone help , if anyone can give me the Book / Chapter and Verse .
My wife Died not long ago and if this is not in the bible I don't wish to be changing what the Bible is saying by helping to spreading this , by telling all that she is in Heaven at this point.
God is a Spirit and His holiness is the name, which He expressed when He declared, 'Thou art my Son'. (Ps.7-8). We can understand the significance of this from this, "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." ( John 17:6-NKJV; John 6:37). Holiness in the matter of the name creates a Holy Family not of flesh and blood but on the basis of faith. The key to the Father Son relationship is faith with works. "If then I be a father, where is my honour?" (Mal.1:6). There are well meaning Christians who is proof against spiritualizing the word. They take literally and go by sense than the Spirit. So what is the wisdom which they go by? Wisdom of heaven is free and they would rather be called Pharisees than take it. Faith is what required. If we see still arguments over humanity and deity of Jesus in our forum it just proves why. Their intellect is their security blanket and cannot let go.
Salvation plan of God is on the basis of the Father Son relationship. The earth as a mirror of heaven. This shall be completed when the tabernacle of God is among men. (Re.21:3)
Separation of sons of God from the unbelieving world is the work to which Jesus referred, My Father works hitherto and I work, and he opened a new and living way. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." (2 Co.6:17)
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" Philippians 2:9 KJV
"above every name". Even above Jehovah?
"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Psalms 83:18 KJV
Jehovah's name was the highest name before.
I'm posting this for input not as a trivia question.
It seems to say that the name of Jesus after His sacrifice was placed above the name of Jehovah, do you believe this and if so should this reality affect our Christian walk?
Here we have a clear proof that the divine Will of the Father is complete since the fulfilling aspect of it is devolved on the Son. God is one. ("Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"-De.6:4) In its function the Wisdom aspect must work with the Power principle of God so Trinity explains power and glory of the eternal God. In short order of the kingdom of God is the Law or the Word. John 1:1 states that the Word was with God. On the contrary Satan is the father of confusion. Satan sins from the beginning so Jesus Christ was manifest to destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever has resisted him is the son of perdition. Then as now.
In the divine Will the Lamb slain before the foundation of the Word is determined. Against that we need consider all the martyrs from Abel onwards to which Jesus alludes at the end of woe to ye discourse in Matt.23. God the Father had made provisions for the collateral damage of sin. Against the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world slaughter of the firstborn has to be weighed. Who shall accuse God of genocide or crime against humanity.
By the same token how shall we compare the murder of six million Jews in the 20th century by what whole scale slaughter in Gaza or in West Bank being carried out with impunity? God has set his Son as the slain Lamb for the whole mankind. God is the Judge.
The act of intercession; therefore is something crucial to communication throughout scripture that indeed gives us some insight of Hebrews 7:25 (He ever lives to intercede for us). Daniel also repeated this theme in Daniel 9:8-10. God's promise here was the prophetic insight given in Jeremiah 29:10. God stated this would happen; so it appears to be a done deal. There was no promise how many would do this; as is evident from the small group that initially rebuilt the wall; and the disobedience of many was seen with marriages to foreign wives. No doubt worldliness had affected the hearts of those who should have remembered the prosperity God gave them in Babylon and His promises to return after that time. It is a wonder that confession of the sins of church congregations isn't given much attention as compared to particulary egregious ones of individuals as it still affects the overall witness as we see from exhortations written for the churches in Revelation 2 and 3; for example.
Look at God's faithfulness to Israel as stated in Jeremiah 31:36 where the courses of nature would have to change with the sun and moon for God to abandon His covenant promises. In fact the only covenant changed is that related to the method of worship with the law and sacrifices which was of course replaced by the perfect sacrifice under Christ which abolished therefore the old ordinances. (see Hebrews 9-10). The object of worship was therefore Christ; God had stated in Isaiah 1:11; see also Psalm 69:31.
In understanding the New Covenant we should perceive that it is still the same God with the same characteristics today that existed in the Old Testament from eternity. We would on the surface expect that to be a "no brainer"; but how often do we see the fear of God demonstrated as in Acts 5:1-11 with Ananias and Sapphira? Our commitments to God should not be of fools ( Ecclesiastes 5:4). See Matthew 5:33-35 for ungodly vows.
'Israel, my Firstborn' (Ex.4:22) According to the eternal purpose, which God purposed in Christ the nation was called. (Ep.3:11). According to the pattern that God showed Moses it is clear that it was the fellowship of God with Man was the basis. It served the pattern for all the tabernacles from the first to the eternity. "Behold the tabernacle of God is with men"(Re.21:3). Israel and the Gentiles were foreknown equally
'Firstborn from the dead' referred to his Son; and the condition was any man who allowed to be conformed to the image of his Son. "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers (Ro.8:29). Israel in rejecting him was tantamount to Esau spurning his birth-right.
Conforming to the image of His Son entails his death and resurrection so the way the Son took presents a newness of life for the believer. Atonement of Jesus Christ covers those who have received him by faith, regardless of Jews or Gentiles. God's deep purpose has been revealed since the outpouring of the Spirit signalled a new body, not of the flesh but of the Spirit. "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence (Col.1:18; Re.1:5)."
'O Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel "(Je.31:7 and they shall find grace. "How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? For the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man (Je.31:22)". It is no longer Israel as their firstborn but the Church as the Bride of Christ, in which Israel shall have a part.
This was a holy convocation, which the Israelite observed and also was heard by one other. The word of God is not only in your heart and was also heard. You spoke as Christ in you did speak; you also did all for the glory of God and even as Christ did, forgiving one other and in humility so you are seen as lights as effective witnesses of Christ. 'You are not to do any servile work' Servile work, and what does it mean? As epistles of Christ in your fleshy heart are you to ride the coattails of politicians of the day? Neither do you for some mead of praise and silver in your pocket, water down the Gospel of Christ.
This festival was celebrated at the beginning of the month Tisri, the first month of the civil year.
"Also at your times of rejoicing-your appointed festivals and New Moon feasts-you are to sound the trumpets over your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings,"(Nu.10:10; 29:1-6)
Day of Atonement vv. 26-32
(See under A-Atonement)
The Festival of Tabernacles vv.33-44
"Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:,/ That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God./ And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.
'That your generations may know,' This is the commandment of God who is a Spirit. Living in a visible world only speaks part of the reality, which is our fellowship with God. We are bearing about also a spiritual space where truth is written in our inward parts. Heart it is called. How big is it? It all depends how deep your faith is.
Truth is what infinite mind of God has invested in the world of the Spirit, which is signified by heart. Where your treasure is where your heart will be found. Parable of the Rich Fool shows us a heart where not an inch of space could be found for God. He was not rich towards God for this reason.
vv. 1-4 This is universal call to the nations. They are responsible for 'all things that come forth of it.' Foolish shepherds instead have been assuring Israel, peace, peace while there was no peace.(Jer.6:14) Friends of Israel in fact were false to their cloth and whoring after false gods of Christian Right white evangelicalism etc.,
"Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it."
vv.5-6 Edom and the Greek variant, Idumea tell us that these names are interchangeable. ""The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea."
vv.9-10 ""It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."
For ever and ever inform us that the decree of the Day is from God and the Word alike. So rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem as of old or Israel as a state (founded in 1949) as legit is a pipe dream. It is a lie foisted upon the world as proven by the inhabitants of the land 'condemned' by God.
Who are the denizens among the stones of confusion? "But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."(v.11)
Where are the princes of the 12 tribes? "They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing."(34:12)
"It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:(34:10) It is given in Re.16:5-6
And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus."
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete(v.15)."
These seven weeks, called here Sabbaths, were to be complete, i. e., the forty-nine days must be finished, and the next day, the fiftieth, is the day of Pentecost. (See under N-numbers, command/five)
Here we see concept of sevens used , which signifies the command number 7. Similarly we see the Israelites setting out from their bondage in Egypt to the Promised Land is a kangaroo word within the blessings God promised Abraham. It is thus the Spirit has set the numbers in sequences the earth time within the reconstituted Time. So Pentecost falls the next day after 7X7. After the Ascension of Jesus we read that two men in white apparel stood by and said to those who were watching the Ascension, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven (Ac.1:11)". Thereafter the day of Pentecost fully had to come signifying there is a break between the two events.
(See the entry under M-Mode/Parenthesis)
By the same token we may examine this verse, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."(Dan.12:12) God blessed man on the sixth day ("And God blessed them,"-Ge.1:28)
In the preceding verse the man clothed in linen tells that "there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." signifying a break between the outpouring of the Holy Ghost upon all souls on earth and the Jubilee year in heaven. It is New Jerusalem and the old is consigned to Lord's indignation. "For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment./The sword of the Lord is filled with blood/"(Is.34:5-8)
The Passover and the Festival of the Unleavened Bread Le.23:5
Ex.12:1-6
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,/ This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
God spoke to Moses in the land of Egypt. Before the children of Israel could claim the Promised Land 'this month' signified altogether a new walk with God. When He says, 'Now is the day of salvation' it is God's Time. It is thus we look at the spiritual significance of a new year. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Co.5:17)".
Their observance of Tisri was after the traditions of their fathers. Not so with God.
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house'(12:3)
'A lamb for an house' is highly significant.' On the tenth day, which entails a time lapse. The house or the nation the symbolism of the lamb remains consistent with the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world. It is the emblem for Salvation Plan in the divine Will through ages. What does the numberTen signify? Ten is a full hand or measure. It has another significance, under the Law: judgment
The Passover day also coincided with Joshua (Hellenized form of the name is Jesus) leading the people, "And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho (Josh.4:19)". Here is another: And Christ, our Paschal Lamb, on this day entered Jerusalem, riding on an ass; the people bearing palm branches, and crying, Hosanna, ( John 12:12-13).
Had not Truth been constant, think of the waste of effort and time that we spend to give good account of ourselves at all times? Our moral imperatives are like a grapnel thrown to hold on to something immovable. Truth is the bedrock for cosmos whether it goes on expanding or is static; similarly Truth is not proved wrong whatever theoretical universes man may put forward. (Newtonian model was replaced by Einstein's theory.) A news item of April 7, 2022 "Physicists have found that an elementary particle called the W boson appears to be 0.1 percent too heavy-a tiny discrepancy that could foreshadow a huge shift in fundamental physics." (Ack:Wired of Apr.,17). Science from the time of Galileo admits only science that can be proven so such modification shall go on ad infinitum, without anyone being the wiser. For us religion is based on faith and without God as the Mind, all hypotheses shall keep appearing one after the other and also disappear. (1 Ti.6:20-21)
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is from everlasting to everlasting,the Word is GOD,self-executing.The Word -GOD-was made flesh around 2000 years ago or two GODs' Days ago,indeed it still was the fourth GOD's Day- Genesis 1:16-and He as the Greater Light said:My Father worketh hitherto,and I work-Jo. 5:17.Yes,GOD the Father still was working,it was still the fourth Day of His works.
The Word is a lamp unto my feet,and a light unto my path- Psalm 119:105 combined with 1Jo.1:5:This is the message which we have heard of Him,and declare unto you,that GOD is Light,and in Him is no darkness at all. And the Word made flesh said:I am come a Light into the world,that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness-Jo.12:46.JESUS also said to the Father in His prayer:Jo.17:7-8- ->7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou has given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,and they have believed that thou did send me.
The testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.By the way, Isaiah prophesied:For unto us a child is born,unto us a Son is given:and the government is upon His shoulder:His name shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,The mighty God,The everlasting Father,The Prince of Peace.
JESUS said to the Father:All mine are thine,and thine are mine;and I am glorified in them.
And now come I to thee;and these things I speak in the world,that THEY(THE TRUE BELIEVERS) might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.Jo.17:10-13.
Jo.1:18-No man hath seen GOD at any time,the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father,He has declared Him.
Jo.14:8-9:-->8 Philip saith unto JESUS:Lord,show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.9 JESUS saith unto Philip:Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known me,Philip?he that has seen me has seen the Father;and how say you then,Show us the Father?
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath./ Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.( Mark 2:27-28) So what does Sabbath really mean?
First reference to it comes at the end of the creation account. The first day, second day and so on, and is not about a week, an error commonly made by Christians everywhere. It is about a day, the day appointed for the Son. God sent the Son as the Word become flesh, so the significance of Sabbath can only be understood from the ministry of reconciliation of Jesus Christ. "By him all things consist" makes the day, which God sanctified on the day seven is subservient to the position of the Son. He is the Lord of Sabbath. Day is sanctified by the word of truth.(John17:17)
Sabbath is rest to which He has entered. It is in pluperfect indicating His Will has already settled the Salvation Plan in his core Will. "And he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.(Ge.2:2)". "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you ( John 14:20-NIV)". God exhorts us to reverence His sanctuary.
Abiding in Christ therefore is the Sabbath that works.(Heb.13:8).
"Six days work shall be done" Le.23:3. For the Israelites it was the work of human hands, toil of the beasts and fruits of the field that counted as work. Their literalism was such they would not see it as anything else. The fact is borne out in the question they asked Jesus. "What shall we do that we might be doing the works of God?"( John 6:27-28). God sent his only begotten Son on whom was his seal of approval and they rejected him. If the horse has bolted the stable why the nation belabor themselves with the act of scrubbing the stable floor? By the same token when God has cast them out why cause the odium of genocide from the world as we see it in our times, over the name Jerusalem that is instead being built in the heaven places? New Jerusalem is where a believer may enter in the rest of God and in his Son.
Sabbath serves as a sign. "That ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you"(Ex.31:17a.) the shadow of good things to come. It was a sign of sanctification, which, however did not good to the nation of Israel for want of faith. Moses pleading 'blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written' was ineffectual. He was the servant (He.3:1-3) and not Son whose offering was perfect. His Son who he shall send according to His will in the fullness of time, refreshed him. So He sanctifies the seventh day. "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified (He.10:14)".
It is God who sanctifies and at His terms. God cannot deny his holiness, "And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book".
"For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren(He.2:11).What Moses gave the nation of Israel was a shadow of good things to come.
Jesus before his ascension warned his disciples not to figure out the end time by their intellect. It was set under divine seal of Authority (Ac.1:7).
"And he (God) rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Number Seven is not about week but Day in which days are counted in several multiples of seven.God's promise to Israel was conditional. They were to observe His commandments with whole heart and soul and might.(*'ye shall do my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them".)
"And ye shall dwell in the land in safety./ And the land shall yield her fruit, and ye shall eat your fill, and dwell therein in safety." Then Moses goes on to add, "And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase./Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years."(Le.25:18-21). Significance of the number Three refers to the Son. When he said, 'My Father works hitherto and I also work explains the glory of the Word that the Spirit of Christ signifies. His work shall be done only when Christ Jesus announces, 'It is done.'(Re.21:6)
Jubilee of God redeeming the earth would mark the inauguration of new heaven and the earth. (see under N- numbers command/jubilee). The rest we are exhorted to enter corresponds with the rest, which under the Law of Moses was for two years. (He.4:11). The land belongs to God in this age or in the one to come.(Le.25:23)
*Coming back to the word of God, you shall keep my judgments in v.18 God exhorts them to keep His judgments as Christ in them did. His will is perfect and reckons no Israel or Gentile nations in his Son. His Fellowship with Man allows no further distinctions.
Jesus told the Woman by the Well when she said We Worship in the Mountains and You Worship at Jerusalem. Basically He said, Throw that mess out the back door, throw Religion and Theology, Isms, Doctrines, man-made theories down the drain. And just Worship God in Spirit and Truth this is Whom He is seeking. Why does Man try to complicate things a child can understand. You can read this Bible to a Child and they will tell you what it says. But a Adult will have 10 different opinions. In Revelations 3 Vs. 7 - 10 . : Jesus said I open doors no Man can shut and shut doors no Man can open. He speaks of a Great Tribulation that will come upon not Europe, the Middle East, Israel but the whole World. And the Church at Philadelphia ( our time frame ) has been found faithful. And before all of the Events of the Plagues , Vials, Bowls, calamities even begin in the Book of Revelations. God tells the Church at Philadelphia He has set a Open Door for Them. A Escape Hatch, a Red Sea miracle. And what is that door ? It's called The Rapture. Its amazing to Me how little The Rapture is even being Preached about . I have a Message on Our Channel " Biscoe House of Mercy YouTube" titled " I Still Believe in The Rapture" . I would encourage People to watch it . Not because I'm on it . But because there's so much Scripture and Word Involved there. Line upon Line Precept Upon Precept Word upon Word.
I was reading the Comments made about John 3 V 13 . And how so many were implying that only Jesus has been to or ascended to Heaven. One comment said it's a double edged sword and basically said you got cut . But often common sense is neglected. Ephesians 4 V.9 :: Says before Christ Ascended He first Descended during the 3 days that Man thought He was dead from the cross. And what did He do ? He took Captivity Captive. He emptied out the Paradise section in the Heart of the Earth . Everyone from Adam to the Thief on the Cross who said Remember Me , every righteous Saint of every generation. And took them where ? He ascended with Them. He took Them to the 3rd Heaven. Now when a Born again Believer dies . We don't have to go down into a gulf between the TORMENTS of Hell and Paradise in the Center of the Earth. Now We can go directly to be with Jesus. I think it's time to shout some !! If You want to lay in the ground or hang around here , then have at it. Whether by Rapture or Death I plan on being in Heaven.
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude,and as the voice of many waters,and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying,Alleluia:for the Lord GOD Omnipotent reigneth.
9And he saith unto me, Write,Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb...
10And I fell at his feet to worship him.And he said unto me,See thou do it not:I am thy fellowservant,and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:worship GOD:for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Angel? Numbers 9-31:
And GOD came unto Balaam,and said,What men are these with thee?
10Balaam said unto GOD, Balak the son of Zippor,king of Moab, hath sent unto me,saying,
11Behold,there is a people come out of Egypt,which covers the face of the earth:come now,curse me them;peradventure I shall be able to overcome them,and drive them out.
12And GOD said unto Balaam,You shalt not go with them;You shalt not curse the people:for they are blessed.
13And Balaam rose up in the morning,and said unto the princes of Balak,Get you into your land: the Lord refuses to give me leave to go with you.
15And Balak sent yet again princes more honourable than they.
16And they came to Balaam,and said:Thus says Balak the son of Zippor,Let nothing,I pray thee,hinder thee from coming unto me:
17I will promote thee unto very great honour,and I will do whatsoever you say unto me:come therefore,I pray thee,curse me this people.
18And Balaam said unto the servants of Balak,If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold,I cannot go beyond the word of the Lord my GOD,to do less or more.
22And GOD's anger was kindled because he went:and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him...
26The angel of the Lord went further,and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.
31Then the Lord opened the eyes of Balaam,and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way,and his Sword drawn in his hand:..
In the previous post "Single Measurement" the quote "Saints redeemed from the earth are interchangeable because new earth knows no John or Andrew but is under the generic name an angel." explains this phenomenon. God has decreed the day for his Son and it pleased him that all his fulness should in him dwell. Who was Elijah but a double for the Son? As a Tishbite he shall show certain characteristics before his death. Elijah the Tishbite came from Gilead. Before giving charge to Elisha he goes through Gilgal, Bethel, Jericho and Jordan, signifying from his cradle to 'crossing the Jordan' euphemism for death. Elisha sticks close to him all the while. As his associate he was his double through the word of God and ministry for the other. By principle of Association all are co-heirs with Christ the firstborn of all creation." But Jesus is associated with Nazareth but as the Son he reveals his own signature to the body of evidence as the Word become flesh. On the cross, "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."( Luke 23:46)
This every one who is called has his own characteristics, of his place and time but in terms of the will of the Father he had adopted them all without exception on the basis each one has become part of the single measure which is his Son, the Man component.
Recap: The Spirit placed the tag 3, which is a Command number so the Son in heaven is Three. The Word become flesh is Four. 1260 refers to the earthly ministry of Jesus.
Daniel's vision in Ch.12 gives us two sets of numbers 1260+30 +1290 days. 3X10 determined outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the point of rapture, which concerns the first fruits, the church. Multiples of 10 gives us the abiding life in Christ so every saint redeemed from the earth is led by the Spirit. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."Ro.8:14)
second set 1335 is made up 1260+75
Here we have 50 that refers to the *Jubilie.
What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth. Before Jubilee year isproclaimed we have an interval which is given here. "And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled."(Re.20:8)
*What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth.
The earth abides forever and New Jerusalem comes up free from any claim from with regards to their inheritance. New Jerusalem is for the heirs of promise.
"The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein./For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."
He has set his throne as a king, "The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever."(Ps.29:10) The phrase, 'forever' assures us the Word of God, the King of Kings, and lord of Lords, "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God./And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."(Re.19:13-14) "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords."(v.16)
His "vesture dipped in blood" is an emblem that is determined by the Word of God. "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."(Is.63:1) Here we have Jesus Christ riding out ,the rider on the white horse to conquer and conquering. Before the worlds began we have him fulfilling the determined Will of his Father followed by the cloud of witnesses, 'and in the fulness thereof ' indicate we have no way of knowing by our own intellect. The Word of God determines how and where. He is none other than the Word become flesh, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.:(He.13:8)
Neither can we conceive foundations for the earth. Hannah referred to it. "He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them."(1 Sa.2:8)
In the light of the above, how shall we interpret this verse? "And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."(Rev.12:16).
Fellowship of God with Man is inshrined in heaven as a memorial. In Re.5:6 we have a visual transcription of the will of God and it shall never change. There must a body, is it not? The body of four and twenty elders is one. The body has its glory ordained by God."But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body." (1 Co.15:38-41). Consequently we see the four beasts and they are reflecting the glory of God and setting his Son as the firstborn of all creation: it gives us one beast having the face of a man. God created man 'in our image', and we have the last Adam represented. According to the will of God 'Let them have dominion,' refers to Adam and three beasts representing His creation.
Fellowship of God with Man is inshrined in heaven as a memorial. In Re.5:6 we have a visual transcription of the will of God and it shall never change. There must a body, is it not? The body of four and twenty elders is one. There is also another body of the four beasts and they are reflecting the glory of God and setting his Son as the firstborn of all creation gives us one beast having the face of a man. God created man 'in our image', and we have the last Adam represented. According to the will of God 'Let them have dominion,' refers to Adam and three beasts representing His creation.
Secondly theSpirit aspect: "And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."(Re.4:5). Thirdly we have the Lamb who 'prevailed to open the book' with seven seals, and he was found worthy to set judgement in motion. As an overcomer he represents the soul, or as head of the church. Body Spirit and Soul constitute Trinity as a memorial in heaven.
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them (Ge.1:27)" defines Trinity:The Word made flesh was continuation of the Spirit of Christ with which he could be deemed the Spiritual Rock (1 Co.10:4). For this reason he could say," Jesus said to the Jews, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.(John8:58-NKJV)."
Symbolism of the rock, water and the slain Lamb are sustained no matter where, whether in heaven or on earth the word is established eternally.
When we speak of human likeness his body spirit and soul gives Trinity a template for every believer. In creating man in 'our likeness' body spirit and soul of man correspond with Trinity.
By principle of Similitude heaven and earth are set on a single standard. The Son upholds all things 'by the word of his power' similarly he reconciles all men to his Father in him.
It is set in a series of parables. In the parables of Job one might think of the Socratic dialogue as nearest, and it is search for truth as its core value. The Bible clearly declares no man may question God and wrest a meaning by force or by arguments. "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?(Is.45:9). We find Abraham interceding with God with regards to the imminent judgment over Sodom. He asks, "And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?" Ge.18:17-33).
Truth is the only basis that 'still small voice' as in the case of Elijah, plays a crucial role in the parables of Job. Job uses a parable, which in the parlance of the Spirit is to instruct us the depths and riches we have in the eternal God.
For example what is the confidence of Job? "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:(19:25)" How do we reconcile this idea 'For as the heavens are higher than the earth' (Is.55:8-9) with our thoughts ? Truth in our heart is the only medium of instruction. The Spirit has set the Book of Job with this in mind as a series of parables.
Parables are clothed with allusions to the natural world so these are direct confrontation of two worlds of the flesh and the Spirit.
Parables are to be understood as introduction 'How To Do the Will of My Father in some easy lessons' could well be the by-line to the whole body of Parables. Key to understand him is to do the will of God the Father," If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself ( John 7:17)."
The Bible is the God document to which the role of man is limited to the man the Spirit has chosen to serve as amanuensis. All glory is to God and not in KJV or any translation which is like the 'golden calf' set up the manner it is handled about. This forum being specific, courtesy requires to follow KJV as far as possible, though there is no value if the user has no heart to examine beyond the surface to the intent of the Spirit. I see so many in this forum going round and round, -what else could have the five blind men of Benares do when presented with an elephant?, and it is simply a fool's business to think it will edify any.
Leaving aside let us look at the manner the Spirit has rendered the Scripture for our spiritual growth.
Command numbers serve to make the realities of heaven and of the earth distinct and easier to follow.
Here is an example: "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven./ As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly." (1 Co.15:47-48) Jesus Christ as the Lord from heaven is the same. But as the Word become flesh "for the things concerning me have an end." Without which the Word cannot called perfect. He has to fulfill the scriptures. As a result in his all things consist and the three and a half year is used by the Spirit to set all events on the earth. The power given to the beast sets him as the son of Perdition as Satan is set as his adversary. 1260 days or Three and a half year is the scale to set all earth events. 42 months the beast shall lord over and shall be cut off. Elisha was jeered by 42 because Elisha is set down in the narrative as a double for Jesus.(2 Ki.2:23-25) Three sets of genealogies in Matt 1 of 14 generations each.(v.7) Earthly ministry of Jesus has another half an hour in heaven. (Re.8:1) Total 4 is the command number for the Word become flesh in heaven. It governs the four cardinal directions
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Thanks again Ronald, and I note that you would like a recess on this discussion. But if I might briefly address the Scriptures you shared & why I believe that they don't answer the question, 'was Jesus' first appearance only from the womb of Mary, or did He exist in another Form within the Person of God?'
To your references:
1 Corinthians 15:47: "the second man is the Lord from Heaven" (not a Man Who became Lord, Who went into Heaven & then returned to Earth as Lord from Heaven - but the Lord Who was in Heaven & came to Earth, unlike the first man, Adam, Who was created from the Earth & back to the Earth he went).
1 Timothy 2:5: yes, Jesus is the Mediator now between God & mankind after His ascension.
Matthew 1:20, Acts 17:31, Revelation 12:5: yes again, all point to Jesus as a Man/Babe Who came from God - but no direct reference to any previous existence.
Hebrews 1:5: indeed, Jesus became the Son of God by virtue of this miraculous Birth, but then God would have created another god, because 'all the angels of God are to worship Him'; & none can receive worship but God alone. You asked, "How could God say I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son if Jesus eternally existed with the Father?" Because God took His Word & gave Flesh to that Word, and this Flesh was brought into the World by the Work of God, which made this One called Jesus, God's Son. Jesus only became the Son of God at the Incarnation.
Hebrews 2:7: Jesus was made "a little lower than the angels" by virtue of His Humanity. It seems there is an order of created beings before God: the angels being above humanity, of which Jesus was made, thus subjecting Him to being our equal.
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Paul Washer has brought up a point often said that we should always reflect on regarding the crucifixion. Namely; the Lord's suffering was primarily because He had to take on the sins of all His elect which was far greater agony than the crucifixion. I don't have the date of the sermon I saw the other day but he also mentioned how many saints have died and rejoiced during martyrdom so that clearly Christ had a burden none of us who are believers ever will have to endure. Having the Father turn away after eternal fellowship beforehand is incomprehensible; this explains why it was a done deal when He said "it is finished". For all eternity in the future He will be exalted and no longer suffer as He did for that brief moment in history.
This situation is the ultimate mind bender to comprehend. How could God be angry with His Son who was also fully God? This was due; of course to the counsel of God or as Deuteronomy 29:29 states part of the "hidden counsel of God" which we mortals cannot peer into at least in full. He took on what we deserved; and if it weren't for this; we all would spend eternity separated from God in hell with all unregenerate sinners. To be more precise; God directed His wrath at Christ who was the sin bearer for us. In His omnipotence He surely knew that in the future His Son would be restored; resurrected and once again rule with Him.
There are no words to describe what was done in our behalf as our Redeemer.
With this in mind; when we see the incident mentioned with Ananias and Sapphira; or here admonitions that some die taking communion unworthily we certainly don't have any room for anything but humble adoration and fear of the Lord. Greiving the Spirit is something a believer can relate to; whereas the world at large has no appetite for the Lord; His love or His righteousness no matter how carefully they try to bend it to their own imaginations of a humanistic or idyllic world.
I hear Preachers saying that when we die and Christian that we go straight to Heaven .
I have found John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
And what don't help me is reading that when Jesus comes back and rise the dead in Christ .... Who is he raising if we are already in Heaven ?
I also found where Jesus said that we we die it is as sleeping , and would be as a second to the dead when God comes for them
Please anyone help , if anyone can give me the Book / Chapter and Verse .
My wife Died not long ago and if this is not in the bible I don't wish to be changing what the Bible is saying by helping to spreading this , by telling all that she is in Heaven at this point.
Thank you and God Bless
God is a Spirit and His holiness is the name, which He expressed when He declared, 'Thou art my Son'. (Ps.7-8). We can understand the significance of this from this, "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." ( John 17:6-NKJV; John 6:37). Holiness in the matter of the name creates a Holy Family not of flesh and blood but on the basis of faith. The key to the Father Son relationship is faith with works. "If then I be a father, where is my honour?" (Mal.1:6). There are well meaning Christians who is proof against spiritualizing the word. They take literally and go by sense than the Spirit. So what is the wisdom which they go by? Wisdom of heaven is free and they would rather be called Pharisees than take it. Faith is what required. If we see still arguments over humanity and deity of Jesus in our forum it just proves why. Their intellect is their security blanket and cannot let go.
Salvation plan of God is on the basis of the Father Son relationship. The earth as a mirror of heaven. This shall be completed when the tabernacle of God is among men. (Re.21:3)
Separation of sons of God from the unbelieving world is the work to which Jesus referred, My Father works hitherto and I work, and he opened a new and living way. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." (2 Co.6:17)
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" Philippians 2:9 KJV
"above every name". Even above Jehovah?
"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Psalms 83:18 KJV
Jehovah's name was the highest name before.
I'm posting this for input not as a trivia question.
It seems to say that the name of Jesus after His sacrifice was placed above the name of Jehovah, do you believe this and if so should this reality affect our Christian walk?
Here we have a clear proof that the divine Will of the Father is complete since the fulfilling aspect of it is devolved on the Son. God is one. ("Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"-De.6:4) In its function the Wisdom aspect must work with the Power principle of God so Trinity explains power and glory of the eternal God. In short order of the kingdom of God is the Law or the Word. John 1:1 states that the Word was with God. On the contrary Satan is the father of confusion. Satan sins from the beginning so Jesus Christ was manifest to destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever has resisted him is the son of perdition. Then as now.
In the divine Will the Lamb slain before the foundation of the Word is determined. Against that we need consider all the martyrs from Abel onwards to which Jesus alludes at the end of woe to ye discourse in Matt.23. God the Father had made provisions for the collateral damage of sin. Against the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world slaughter of the firstborn has to be weighed. Who shall accuse God of genocide or crime against humanity.
By the same token how shall we compare the murder of six million Jews in the 20th century by what whole scale slaughter in Gaza or in West Bank being carried out with impunity? God has set his Son as the slain Lamb for the whole mankind. God is the Judge.
(See under M-Mode/ Law of Gradation)
The act of intercession; therefore is something crucial to communication throughout scripture that indeed gives us some insight of Hebrews 7:25 (He ever lives to intercede for us). Daniel also repeated this theme in Daniel 9:8-10. God's promise here was the prophetic insight given in Jeremiah 29:10. God stated this would happen; so it appears to be a done deal. There was no promise how many would do this; as is evident from the small group that initially rebuilt the wall; and the disobedience of many was seen with marriages to foreign wives. No doubt worldliness had affected the hearts of those who should have remembered the prosperity God gave them in Babylon and His promises to return after that time. It is a wonder that confession of the sins of church congregations isn't given much attention as compared to particulary egregious ones of individuals as it still affects the overall witness as we see from exhortations written for the churches in Revelation 2 and 3; for example.
Look at God's faithfulness to Israel as stated in Jeremiah 31:36 where the courses of nature would have to change with the sun and moon for God to abandon His covenant promises. In fact the only covenant changed is that related to the method of worship with the law and sacrifices which was of course replaced by the perfect sacrifice under Christ which abolished therefore the old ordinances. (see Hebrews 9-10). The object of worship was therefore Christ; God had stated in Isaiah 1:11; see also Psalm 69:31.
In understanding the New Covenant we should perceive that it is still the same God with the same characteristics today that existed in the Old Testament from eternity. We would on the surface expect that to be a "no brainer"; but how often do we see the fear of God demonstrated as in Acts 5:1-11 with Ananias and Sapphira? Our commitments to God should not be of fools ( Ecclesiastes 5:4). See Matthew 5:33-35 for ungodly vows.
'Israel, my Firstborn' (Ex.4:22) According to the eternal purpose, which God purposed in Christ the nation was called. (Ep.3:11). According to the pattern that God showed Moses it is clear that it was the fellowship of God with Man was the basis. It served the pattern for all the tabernacles from the first to the eternity. "Behold the tabernacle of God is with men"(Re.21:3). Israel and the Gentiles were foreknown equally
'Firstborn from the dead' referred to his Son; and the condition was any man who allowed to be conformed to the image of his Son. "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers (Ro.8:29). Israel in rejecting him was tantamount to Esau spurning his birth-right.
Conforming to the image of His Son entails his death and resurrection so the way the Son took presents a newness of life for the believer. Atonement of Jesus Christ covers those who have received him by faith, regardless of Jews or Gentiles. God's deep purpose has been revealed since the outpouring of the Spirit signalled a new body, not of the flesh but of the Spirit. "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the pre-eminence (Col.1:18; Re.1:5)."
'O Lord, save thy people, the remnant of Israel "(Je.31:7 and they shall find grace. "How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? For the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man (Je.31:22)". It is no longer Israel as their firstborn but the Church as the Bride of Christ, in which Israel shall have a part.
This was a holy convocation, which the Israelite observed and also was heard by one other. The word of God is not only in your heart and was also heard. You spoke as Christ in you did speak; you also did all for the glory of God and even as Christ did, forgiving one other and in humility so you are seen as lights as effective witnesses of Christ. 'You are not to do any servile work' Servile work, and what does it mean? As epistles of Christ in your fleshy heart are you to ride the coattails of politicians of the day? Neither do you for some mead of praise and silver in your pocket, water down the Gospel of Christ.
This festival was celebrated at the beginning of the month Tisri, the first month of the civil year.
"Also at your times of rejoicing-your appointed festivals and New Moon feasts-you are to sound the trumpets over your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings,"(Nu.10:10; 29:1-6)
Day of Atonement vv. 26-32
(See under A-Atonement)
The Festival of Tabernacles vv.33-44
"Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:,/ That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God./ And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.
'That your generations may know,' This is the commandment of God who is a Spirit. Living in a visible world only speaks part of the reality, which is our fellowship with God. We are bearing about also a spiritual space where truth is written in our inward parts. Heart it is called. How big is it? It all depends how deep your faith is.
Truth is what infinite mind of God has invested in the world of the Spirit, which is signified by heart. Where your treasure is where your heart will be found. Parable of the Rich Fool shows us a heart where not an inch of space could be found for God. He was not rich towards God for this reason.
vv. 1-4 This is universal call to the nations. They are responsible for 'all things that come forth of it.' Foolish shepherds instead have been assuring Israel, peace, peace while there was no peace.(Jer.6:14) Friends of Israel in fact were false to their cloth and whoring after false gods of Christian Right white evangelicalism etc.,
"Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it."
vv.5-6 Edom and the Greek variant, Idumea tell us that these names are interchangeable. ""The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea."
vv.9-10 ""It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."
For ever and ever inform us that the decree of the Day is from God and the Word alike. So rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem as of old or Israel as a state (founded in 1949) as legit is a pipe dream. It is a lie foisted upon the world as proven by the inhabitants of the land 'condemned' by God.
Who are the denizens among the stones of confusion? "But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."(v.11)
Where are the princes of the 12 tribes? "They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing."(34:12)
"It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:(34:10) It is given in Re.16:5-6
And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus."
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete(v.15)."
These seven weeks, called here Sabbaths, were to be complete, i. e., the forty-nine days must be finished, and the next day, the fiftieth, is the day of Pentecost. (See under N-numbers, command/five)
Here we see concept of sevens used , which signifies the command number 7. Similarly we see the Israelites setting out from their bondage in Egypt to the Promised Land is a kangaroo word within the blessings God promised Abraham. It is thus the Spirit has set the numbers in sequences the earth time within the reconstituted Time. So Pentecost falls the next day after 7X7. After the Ascension of Jesus we read that two men in white apparel stood by and said to those who were watching the Ascension, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven (Ac.1:11)". Thereafter the day of Pentecost fully had to come signifying there is a break between the two events.
(See the entry under M-Mode/Parenthesis)
By the same token we may examine this verse, "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."(Dan.12:12) God blessed man on the sixth day ("And God blessed them,"-Ge.1:28)
In the preceding verse the man clothed in linen tells that "there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." signifying a break between the outpouring of the Holy Ghost upon all souls on earth and the Jubilee year in heaven. It is New Jerusalem and the old is consigned to Lord's indignation. "For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment./The sword of the Lord is filled with blood/"(Is.34:5-8)
Ex.12:1-6
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,/ This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
God spoke to Moses in the land of Egypt. Before the children of Israel could claim the Promised Land 'this month' signified altogether a new walk with God. When He says, 'Now is the day of salvation' it is God's Time. It is thus we look at the spiritual significance of a new year. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Co.5:17)".
Their observance of Tisri was after the traditions of their fathers. Not so with God.
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house'(12:3)
'A lamb for an house' is highly significant.' On the tenth day, which entails a time lapse. The house or the nation the symbolism of the lamb remains consistent with the slain Lamb before the foundation of the world. It is the emblem for Salvation Plan in the divine Will through ages. What does the numberTen signify? Ten is a full hand or measure. It has another significance, under the Law: judgment
The Passover day also coincided with Joshua (Hellenized form of the name is Jesus) leading the people, "And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho (Josh.4:19)". Here is another: And Christ, our Paschal Lamb, on this day entered Jerusalem, riding on an ass; the people bearing palm branches, and crying, Hosanna, ( John 12:12-13).
Had not Truth been constant, think of the waste of effort and time that we spend to give good account of ourselves at all times? Our moral imperatives are like a grapnel thrown to hold on to something immovable. Truth is the bedrock for cosmos whether it goes on expanding or is static; similarly Truth is not proved wrong whatever theoretical universes man may put forward. (Newtonian model was replaced by Einstein's theory.) A news item of April 7, 2022 "Physicists have found that an elementary particle called the W boson appears to be 0.1 percent too heavy-a tiny discrepancy that could foreshadow a huge shift in fundamental physics." (Ack:Wired of Apr.,17). Science from the time of Galileo admits only science that can be proven so such modification shall go on ad infinitum, without anyone being the wiser. For us religion is based on faith and without God as the Mind, all hypotheses shall keep appearing one after the other and also disappear. (1 Ti.6:20-21)
The Word is a lamp unto my feet,and a light unto my path- Psalm 119:105 combined with 1Jo.1:5:This is the message which we have heard of Him,and declare unto you,that GOD is Light,and in Him is no darkness at all. And the Word made flesh said:I am come a Light into the world,that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness-Jo.12:46.JESUS also said to the Father in His prayer:Jo.17:7-8- ->7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou has given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,and they have believed that thou did send me.
The testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.By the way, Isaiah prophesied:For unto us a child is born,unto us a Son is given:and the government is upon His shoulder:His name shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor,The mighty God,The everlasting Father,The Prince of Peace.
JESUS said to the Father:All mine are thine,and thine are mine;and I am glorified in them.
And now come I to thee;and these things I speak in the world,that THEY(THE TRUE BELIEVERS) might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.Jo.17:10-13.
Jo.1:18-No man hath seen GOD at any time,the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father,He has declared Him.
Jo.14:8-9:-->8 Philip saith unto JESUS:Lord,show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.9 JESUS saith unto Philip:Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known me,Philip?he that has seen me has seen the Father;and how say you then,Show us the Father?
I and my Father are one-Jo.10:30
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath./ Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.( Mark 2:27-28) So what does Sabbath really mean?
First reference to it comes at the end of the creation account. The first day, second day and so on, and is not about a week, an error commonly made by Christians everywhere. It is about a day, the day appointed for the Son. God sent the Son as the Word become flesh, so the significance of Sabbath can only be understood from the ministry of reconciliation of Jesus Christ. "By him all things consist" makes the day, which God sanctified on the day seven is subservient to the position of the Son. He is the Lord of Sabbath. Day is sanctified by the word of truth.(John17:17)
Sabbath is rest to which He has entered. It is in pluperfect indicating His Will has already settled the Salvation Plan in his core Will. "And he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.(Ge.2:2)". "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you ( John 14:20-NIV)". God exhorts us to reverence His sanctuary.
Abiding in Christ therefore is the Sabbath that works.(Heb.13:8).
"Six days work shall be done" Le.23:3. For the Israelites it was the work of human hands, toil of the beasts and fruits of the field that counted as work. Their literalism was such they would not see it as anything else. The fact is borne out in the question they asked Jesus. "What shall we do that we might be doing the works of God?"( John 6:27-28). God sent his only begotten Son on whom was his seal of approval and they rejected him. If the horse has bolted the stable why the nation belabor themselves with the act of scrubbing the stable floor? By the same token when God has cast them out why cause the odium of genocide from the world as we see it in our times, over the name Jerusalem that is instead being built in the heaven places? New Jerusalem is where a believer may enter in the rest of God and in his Son.
Sabbath serves as a sign. "That ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you"(Ex.31:17a.) the shadow of good things to come. It was a sign of sanctification, which, however did not good to the nation of Israel for want of faith. Moses pleading 'blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written' was ineffectual. He was the servant (He.3:1-3) and not Son whose offering was perfect. His Son who he shall send according to His will in the fullness of time, refreshed him. So He sanctifies the seventh day. "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified (He.10:14)".
It is God who sanctifies and at His terms. God cannot deny his holiness, "And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book".
"For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren(He.2:11).What Moses gave the nation of Israel was a shadow of good things to come.
Jesus before his ascension warned his disciples not to figure out the end time by their intellect. It was set under divine seal of Authority (Ac.1:7).
"And he (God) rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Number Seven is not about week but Day in which days are counted in several multiples of seven.God's promise to Israel was conditional. They were to observe His commandments with whole heart and soul and might.(*'ye shall do my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them".)
"And ye shall dwell in the land in safety./ And the land shall yield her fruit, and ye shall eat your fill, and dwell therein in safety." Then Moses goes on to add, "And if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase./Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years."(Le.25:18-21). Significance of the number Three refers to the Son. When he said, 'My Father works hitherto and I also work explains the glory of the Word that the Spirit of Christ signifies. His work shall be done only when Christ Jesus announces, 'It is done.'(Re.21:6)
Jubilee of God redeeming the earth would mark the inauguration of new heaven and the earth. (see under N- numbers command/jubilee). The rest we are exhorted to enter corresponds with the rest, which under the Law of Moses was for two years. (He.4:11). The land belongs to God in this age or in the one to come.(Le.25:23)
*Coming back to the word of God, you shall keep my judgments in v.18 God exhorts them to keep His judgments as Christ in them did. His will is perfect and reckons no Israel or Gentile nations in his Son. His Fellowship with Man allows no further distinctions.
Reverend Michael Ray Dorsey
Reverend Michael Ray Dorsey
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude,and as the voice of many waters,and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying,Alleluia:for the Lord GOD Omnipotent reigneth.
9And he saith unto me, Write,Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb...
10And I fell at his feet to worship him.And he said unto me,See thou do it not:I am thy fellowservant,and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:worship GOD:for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Angel? Numbers 9-31:
And GOD came unto Balaam,and said,What men are these with thee?
10Balaam said unto GOD, Balak the son of Zippor,king of Moab, hath sent unto me,saying,
11Behold,there is a people come out of Egypt,which covers the face of the earth:come now,curse me them;peradventure I shall be able to overcome them,and drive them out.
12And GOD said unto Balaam,You shalt not go with them;You shalt not curse the people:for they are blessed.
13And Balaam rose up in the morning,and said unto the princes of Balak,Get you into your land: the Lord refuses to give me leave to go with you.
15And Balak sent yet again princes more honourable than they.
16And they came to Balaam,and said:Thus says Balak the son of Zippor,Let nothing,I pray thee,hinder thee from coming unto me:
17I will promote thee unto very great honour,and I will do whatsoever you say unto me:come therefore,I pray thee,curse me this people.
18And Balaam said unto the servants of Balak,If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold,I cannot go beyond the word of the Lord my GOD,to do less or more.
22And GOD's anger was kindled because he went:and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him...
26The angel of the Lord went further,and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.
31Then the Lord opened the eyes of Balaam,and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way,and his Sword drawn in his hand:..
In the previous post "Single Measurement" the quote "Saints redeemed from the earth are interchangeable because new earth knows no John or Andrew but is under the generic name an angel." explains this phenomenon. God has decreed the day for his Son and it pleased him that all his fulness should in him dwell. Who was Elijah but a double for the Son? As a Tishbite he shall show certain characteristics before his death. Elijah the Tishbite came from Gilead. Before giving charge to Elisha he goes through Gilgal, Bethel, Jericho and Jordan, signifying from his cradle to 'crossing the Jordan' euphemism for death. Elisha sticks close to him all the while. As his associate he was his double through the word of God and ministry for the other. By principle of Association all are co-heirs with Christ the firstborn of all creation." But Jesus is associated with Nazareth but as the Son he reveals his own signature to the body of evidence as the Word become flesh. On the cross, "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."( Luke 23:46)
This every one who is called has his own characteristics, of his place and time but in terms of the will of the Father he had adopted them all without exception on the basis each one has become part of the single measure which is his Son, the Man component.
Recap: The Spirit placed the tag 3, which is a Command number so the Son in heaven is Three. The Word become flesh is Four. 1260 refers to the earthly ministry of Jesus.
Daniel's vision in Ch.12 gives us two sets of numbers 1260+30 +1290 days. 3X10 determined outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the point of rapture, which concerns the first fruits, the church. Multiples of 10 gives us the abiding life in Christ so every saint redeemed from the earth is led by the Spirit. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."Ro.8:14)
second set 1335 is made up 1260+75
Here we have 50 that refers to the *Jubilie.
What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth. Before Jubilee year isproclaimed we have an interval which is given here. "And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled."(Re.20:8)
*What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth.
The earth abides forever and New Jerusalem comes up free from any claim from with regards to their inheritance. New Jerusalem is for the heirs of promise.
"The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein./For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."
He has set his throne as a king, "The Lord sitteth upon the flood; yea, the Lord sitteth King for ever."(Ps.29:10) The phrase, 'forever' assures us the Word of God, the King of Kings, and lord of Lords, "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God./And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."(Re.19:13-14) "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords."(v.16)
His "vesture dipped in blood" is an emblem that is determined by the Word of God. "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save."(Is.63:1) Here we have Jesus Christ riding out ,the rider on the white horse to conquer and conquering. Before the worlds began we have him fulfilling the determined Will of his Father followed by the cloud of witnesses, 'and in the fulness thereof ' indicate we have no way of knowing by our own intellect. The Word of God determines how and where. He is none other than the Word become flesh, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.:(He.13:8)
Neither can we conceive foundations for the earth. Hannah referred to it. "He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them."(1 Sa.2:8)
In the light of the above, how shall we interpret this verse? "And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."(Rev.12:16).
"Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?" 2 Corinthians 11:29 KJV
Paul's meditations in the churches of God.
Please read the first paragraph as follows:
Fellowship of God with Man is inshrined in heaven as a memorial. In Re.5:6 we have a visual transcription of the will of God and it shall never change. There must a body, is it not? The body of four and twenty elders is one. The body has its glory ordained by God."But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body." (1 Co.15:38-41). Consequently we see the four beasts and they are reflecting the glory of God and setting his Son as the firstborn of all creation: it gives us one beast having the face of a man. God created man 'in our image', and we have the last Adam represented. According to the will of God 'Let them have dominion,' refers to Adam and three beasts representing His creation.
Fellowship of God with Man is inshrined in heaven as a memorial. In Re.5:6 we have a visual transcription of the will of God and it shall never change. There must a body, is it not? The body of four and twenty elders is one. There is also another body of the four beasts and they are reflecting the glory of God and setting his Son as the firstborn of all creation gives us one beast having the face of a man. God created man 'in our image', and we have the last Adam represented. According to the will of God 'Let them have dominion,' refers to Adam and three beasts representing His creation.
Secondly theSpirit aspect: "And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."(Re.4:5). Thirdly we have the Lamb who 'prevailed to open the book' with seven seals, and he was found worthy to set judgement in motion. As an overcomer he represents the soul, or as head of the church. Body Spirit and Soul constitute Trinity as a memorial in heaven.
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them (Ge.1:27)" defines Trinity:The Word made flesh was continuation of the Spirit of Christ with which he could be deemed the Spiritual Rock (1 Co.10:4). For this reason he could say," Jesus said to the Jews, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.(John8:58-NKJV)."
Symbolism of the rock, water and the slain Lamb are sustained no matter where, whether in heaven or on earth the word is established eternally.
When we speak of human likeness his body spirit and soul gives Trinity a template for every believer. In creating man in 'our likeness' body spirit and soul of man correspond with Trinity.
By principle of Similitude heaven and earth are set on a single standard. The Son upholds all things 'by the word of his power' similarly he reconciles all men to his Father in him.
(See under J-Jesus his deity)
It is set in a series of parables. In the parables of Job one might think of the Socratic dialogue as nearest, and it is search for truth as its core value. The Bible clearly declares no man may question God and wrest a meaning by force or by arguments. "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?(Is.45:9). We find Abraham interceding with God with regards to the imminent judgment over Sodom. He asks, "And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?" Ge.18:17-33).
Truth is the only basis that 'still small voice' as in the case of Elijah, plays a crucial role in the parables of Job. Job uses a parable, which in the parlance of the Spirit is to instruct us the depths and riches we have in the eternal God.
For example what is the confidence of Job? "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:(19:25)" How do we reconcile this idea 'For as the heavens are higher than the earth' (Is.55:8-9) with our thoughts ? Truth in our heart is the only medium of instruction. The Spirit has set the Book of Job with this in mind as a series of parables.
Parables are clothed with allusions to the natural world so these are direct confrontation of two worlds of the flesh and the Spirit.
Parables are to be understood as introduction 'How To Do the Will of My Father in some easy lessons' could well be the by-line to the whole body of Parables. Key to understand him is to do the will of God the Father," If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself ( John 7:17)."
When God is mentioned in the Bible, does it mostly mean the Godhead (trinity 1 John 5:7) or does it mostly mean God the Father?
"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Matthew 22:32 KJV
Jesus is saying this and quoting scripture.
Is God in this verse, for example, the Godhead or the Father?
The Bible is the God document to which the role of man is limited to the man the Spirit has chosen to serve as amanuensis. All glory is to God and not in KJV or any translation which is like the 'golden calf' set up the manner it is handled about. This forum being specific, courtesy requires to follow KJV as far as possible, though there is no value if the user has no heart to examine beyond the surface to the intent of the Spirit. I see so many in this forum going round and round, -what else could have the five blind men of Benares do when presented with an elephant?, and it is simply a fool's business to think it will edify any.
Leaving aside let us look at the manner the Spirit has rendered the Scripture for our spiritual growth.
Command numbers serve to make the realities of heaven and of the earth distinct and easier to follow.
Here is an example: "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven./ As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly." (1 Co.15:47-48) Jesus Christ as the Lord from heaven is the same. But as the Word become flesh "for the things concerning me have an end." Without which the Word cannot called perfect. He has to fulfill the scriptures. As a result in his all things consist and the three and a half year is used by the Spirit to set all events on the earth. The power given to the beast sets him as the son of Perdition as Satan is set as his adversary. 1260 days or Three and a half year is the scale to set all earth events. 42 months the beast shall lord over and shall be cut off. Elisha was jeered by 42 because Elisha is set down in the narrative as a double for Jesus.(2 Ki.2:23-25) Three sets of genealogies in Matt 1 of 14 generations each.(v.7) Earthly ministry of Jesus has another half an hour in heaven. (Re.8:1) Total 4 is the command number for the Word become flesh in heaven. It governs the four cardinal directions