Discuss 1 Samuel 21

  • Momsage - 4 months ago
    OTHER VERSES OF IMPORTANCE:

    1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, t

    Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)

    Collisians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days." (This judgment is speaking of situations on the sabbath as when David fed his men shewbread that was only to be eaten by the Jewish Priests on the Sabbath. 1 Samuel 21:1-6, Christ feeding His disciples from the cornfield on a Sabbath. Matthew 1:21 and pulling an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath. Luke 14:5; if there are things that needed to be done out of necessity on the Sabbath, you should not let men judge you for doing that.)

    I don't know how any of the verses I noted can be interpreted as showing that the early church willingly changed it's weekly worship and fellowship from the sabbath to the first day of the week. As I presented, there is historical proof that they didn't. As the "ravening wolves in sheep clothing" ( Matthew 7:15) began to creep into the church, a change was eventually made to abolish the sabbath and worship and refrain form labor on Sunday. Constantine and the Catholic Church mainly changed it and the world followed.

    God Bless :)
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello. This a Psalm of David. The occasion of this Psalm is set at a time when he was being persecuted & chased by Saul and then sought refuge in the country of Achish. See 1 Samuel 21:1-15 for the account.

    So, this is David's prayer to God, trusting God for His protection & guidance and not to trust in his own wisdom or devices. And this David did as he fled to Gath & also when he fled from Gath. When David confidently placed his trust & his life in God's Hands, all his fears & dread of what might happen to him, left him.

    And that is what real faith is: to give our concerns in life & the worries & dread in our hearts, completely over to the Lord for Him to deal with & help us - and not looking back at the problems. In like manner, the Apostle Paul many centuries later could say in Philippians 4:6,7, "Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." David knew God's Peace in that awful time in his life - Paul also knew God's Peace when he faced afflictions & persecutions as a devoted servant of the Lord - and we can know it too as we confidently rest in our Lord Jesus & let Him take full control of our lives.
  • Willie Tolbert on 1 Samuel 21 - 2 years ago
    This text beautifully outlines that there are times you have to get in a zone that others don't understand but where you can make the necessary adjustments to get things together.

    David was able to transition in the moment!

    We all get times where we have to say Lord I need you!
  • Sylvester White on 1 Samuel 21 - 2 years ago
    Yeah. I can sense the great fear in David's heart, being hunted by a world leader. Even as his faith failed him, God did not abandon him as he played crazy for the enemy on their turf. This part of David's life is truly fascinating to me. God truly tried this man by fire. Wow. Praise God.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Matthew 12 - 2 years ago
    Delores,

    It would be difficult in such a short space to summarize the entire chapter. I can share with you a few things and break down the outlines of the chapter for you if that helps. I can also share some key verses and some memorization verses. If there are any specific verses that you would like help on, I or someone else here might be happy to help you.

    Chapter 12 can be broken down into five outlines: Verses 1-8, Eating Grain on the Sabbath, Verses 9-21, Healing on the Sabbath, Verses 22-37, Committing the Unpardonable Sin, Verses 38-45, Seeking of a Sign, and Verses 46-50, the Understanding of True Family.

    Each of these five sections can be broken down separately as to the meaning of that particular section. Do you have any specific questions on any of these sections?

    There are also some key verses in chapter 12. They are Matthew 12:3, which is recorded for us in 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Other key verses are Matthew 12:5, Matthew 12:7 which comes from Hosea 6:6, Matthew 12:17-21 which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 42:1-4 and Isaiah 49:3.

    If you are into verse memorization, some verses to memorize in this chapter would be Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:30-32, and Matthew 12:50.

    I would love to go over the entire chapter with you but it would take more than one post. Again, if there are any particular sections or verses you would like to go over from chapter 12, please feel free to ask. I would be more than happy to share with you my understanding.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Mark 2 - 3 years ago
    Alec Ford,

    Those verses tell us about the Confrontation over the Sabbath. I'll give you my understanding of those verses in two parts as there is not enough space in one post. This will be part 1.

    First of all, in Mark 2:23, if your text says corn, they didn't have corn there in those days. It was grain fields on the Sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of grain. And by the way, you are allowed to do that. The law allows you to do that. In Mark 2:24, you have to understand that the Pharisees were there to evaluate. They said you are reaping the harvest.

    No! The law allowed that if you are walking along, you can pull heads of grain off and eat it if you are hungry, but you can't harvest it on the Sabbath, because you're not allowed to work on the Sabbath.

    So the Pharisees said, "We consider that harvesting!" In fact, there were incidents where people would walk along the ground and step on a stock and some of the grain would fall off the stock and they got them for harvesting. Legalists!

    In Mark 2:25, Jesus said to them, "Have you never read?" He is speaking to religious people. And He is saying "haven't you ever read the Old Testament, the TANAK?" Have you never read what David did? This would be 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Have you never read what David did, when he had need and was hungry, and he, and those that were traveling with him?

    In Mark 2:26, the phrase "into the house of God" used in this verse means into the tabernacle.

    So you see, He says David and his band of men were traveling, and they were hungry. And they come across the temple and they said to the priest do you have any food here? Well, the only food I have is the shewbread, the presentation bread, the 12 loaves of bread that represent the 12 tribes of Israel.
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 34 - 3 years ago
    Bob, we read of this account in 1 Samuel 21:10 to 22:1. Though there is confusion about Abimelech in Psalm 34:1 & the King of Gath, Achish in 1 Samuel 21:10. It's generally agreed that these people are one & the same. Scholars believe that the name Abimelech is actually a title, rather like the title of 'Pharaoh' given to an Egyptian king. So Achish is the king & Abimelech is his title & so we see David addressing him as a king in his Psalm.

    The 1 Samuel reference above gives the account, though to read the whole story, you would need to start at 1 Samuel chapter 20:1. David was fleeing King Saul who was out to kill him because David, after his victory with Goliath & the ensuing slaughter of the Philistines, was being praised & adored more than Saul.

    After some events, David ended up in Gath to gain refuge from the King (Achish), thinking he would find refuge there as no one would know him outside of Israel. Now Goliath was from Gath, so David in fact, was turning to the enemy's country for refuge - why he opted for this, one can only guess: possibly, the remote chance for an enemy to walk into the city to live. However, Achish's servants did finally recognize David as the one whose praises were proclaimed throughout the regions. So David realizing that he was known, feigned madness by scribbling on walls, dribbling spittle, etc., probably to prove that this 'madman' could not possibly be the dreaded enemy David, but a look-alike, which in turn prompted the King to cast him from his presence. So David then escaped to the cave Adullam.
  • Psalm 34 Commentary - In Reply on Psalms 34 - 3 years ago
    Psalm 34

    This psalm is titled A Psalm of David when he pretended madness before Abimelech, who drove him away, and he departed. A fugitive from Saul, David went to the Philistine city of Gath but found no refuge there and narrowly escaped. Those events are recorded in 1 SAMUEL 21:10 through to 22:1

    Following that, David went to the cave at Adullam where many desperate men joined him. This joyful and wise psalm seems to have been written from that cave, and sung in the presence of those men.

    The structure of this psalm is an acrostic, or nearly so. Each verse begins with another letter of the Hebrew alphabet, except for the letter waw. The purpose of the acrostic format in this psalm mainly seems to be as a device used to encourage learning and memorization.

    Abimelech was probably a title given to rulers among the Philistines; the ruler's proper name was Achish ( 1 Samuel 21:10).

    A. Calling God's people to praise.

    1. (1-2) A life overflowing with praise.

    I will bless the LORD at all times;

    His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

    My soul shall make its boast in the LORD;

    The humble shall hear of it and be glad.

    a. I will bless the LORD at all times: Given the title of this psalm and its historical setting, we see David triumphant and relieved at God's rescue when he was held by the Philistines ( 1 Samuel 21:10-22:1).

    i. "He may have acted like a fool, but he was not so foolish as to neglect praise of him who was his only true wisdom. He may have been hiding in a dismal cave, but this psalm tells us that in his heart he was hiding in the Lord." (Boice)

    ii. Praise shall continually be in my mouth: "Not in my heart merely, but in my mouth too. Our thankfulness is not to be a silent thing; it should be one of the daughters of music." (Spurgeon)

    You can read the entire commentary on. EnduringWord dot com

    M.
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 37:13 - 3 years ago
    The Book of Psalms is a collection of lyrical poems written by a number of authors. The Book was originally entitled, "Tehillim" which, in Hebrew, means 'Praise Songs'. The English title, 'Psalms' originated from the Greek title, 'Psalmoi' & also meant 'Songs of Praise'.

    The Psalms became the hymnal of God's people, with its words often set to music, but not always. The Psalms expressed the authors' emotion to God or about Him, and different Psalms were written to communicate the author's feeling & emotions about the situation they might have been experiencing. That's why the Psalms are so treasured through the ages as they often reflect what the person who is reading them might also be going through & also to encourage him to still bless the Lord in spite of the situation.

    But to your question: most of the Psalms were written by King David (73 Psalms we know of, maybe more). Asaph wrote 12; Korah 10; Moses 1; King Solomon 2; Ethan & Heman 2 each; the remaining Psalms have not been given their author's names.

    If you can, you can read the narrative in the O.T. books that give background to the writing of a particular Psalm. If you have a Study Bible, often a reference will be given in the margin or the notes at the bottom. Otherwise, the internet might also give you help. But to start you off: Read 1 Samuel 19:10.11 & then read Psalm 59; 1 Samuel 21:10-15 with Psalm 56; 1 Samuel 21:10 to 22:2 with Psalm 34; 1 Samuel 22:9 with Psalm 52. This helps to understand the Psalms a little better.
  • A disciple on 1 Samuel 21 - 6 years ago
    A man once anointed, but afterwards rejected by God; now is invaded by demons to harass and torment him by the presence of a man better than himself, mightily filled with the Spirit of God, and a man after God's own heart. A frightened priest. A sneaking heathen "Yes-man" spying for the wicked, and ready to murder in a moment. The man of God kept out of reach from the plots of the wicked by God.
  • Anne on 1 Samuel 21 - 6 years ago
    Fear can cause us to lose our faith and trust in God to keep us from harm.
    For God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.
  • April/Linda ncube on 1 Samuel 21 - 6 years ago
    I believe here detained is referring to held up or there to worship,therefore it could be he was there to praise father,and detained in that purpose or GOD detained him there so he couldn't leave and tell Saul right away,but I'm thinking he was there to worship GOD that day,but as we all can tell nothing with GOD is a coincidence,:), all goes accordingly to plan,this is just my opinion of course:)
  • Linda ncube on 1 Samuel 21 - 7 years ago
    what does it mean "for Doeg was detained of the Lord'',,,
  • Ira on 1 Samuel 21 - 9 years ago
    Though a man of war David chose the flee rather than stand against government.
  • Catherine O. Behome on 1 Samuel 21 - 9 years ago
    It was good for David to run to the house of God in times of trouble but it was not right to lie to the priest for food,weapon and also about his mission. As christians we must be truthful to ourselves in times perplexity.For God is our portion.


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