Discuss 2 Corinthians 2

  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 weeks ago
    Jaz.

    Part 3.

    How should Christian treat one another?

    We are to be at peace with one another, forgive one another, have mercy on one another.

    Just a few references.

    1 Thessalonians 4:9

    Ephesians 4:32

    Galatians 5:26

    Galatians 6:2

    Matthew 7:12

    1 John 4:7

    However, we don't lie or deceive one another for the sake of peace. The truth hurts sometimes but it promotes spiritual growth providing that the Christ spirit is in the person.

    BELEIVERS SHUNNING OTHER BELEIVERS.

    To shun is to deliberately avoid something or someone. In the Bible, the word shun is applied to evil. Job 1:8, Job 28:28, Proverbs 3:7-8 Proverbs 14:16. So, shunning evil is good.

    There is scripture that promotes excommunication. Matthew 18:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 3:14. but do we do it for harm or Good? What's the intent?

    In any case, it would seem that extreme forms of shunning, such as considering someone "dead," utterly ignoring him, or refusing to acknowledge his existence, go beyond what Scripture commands.

    After all, Jesus said that, when someone is put out of the church, he should be treated as "a pagan or a tax collector" Matthew 18:17. In other words, treat an intractable offender as an unsaved person.

    How are we to treat the unsaved? With love and grace.

    The "pagans and tax collectors" need to be evangelized. We are to love even our enemies ( Matthew 5:44).

    The goal of excommunication and any form of shunning is restoration ( Galatians 6:1).

    The purpose of any type of discipline is to prompt repentance and, ultimately, to reunite our fallen brother or sister with the church body. Being officially ostracized from the church, the sinner might be brought to repentance.

    When the man in the Corinthian church later realized that he had sinned against God, he repented and came back to the church for forgiveness and reinstatement. Fellowship with the Corinthian believers was restored ( 2 Corinthians 2:6-11).

    Isn't it hateful to ignore or shun other believers?

    See part 4.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Chris,

    In rereading your comment I did not directly address your question as to why we are commanded to send forth the Gospel.

    While it is a certainty that each and every one of God's Elect will become "saved" since there sins have been fully paid for, God must still apply that salvation to their life in giving them a New Heart, a New Resurrected Soul.

    Therefore the command to send forth the True Gospel into the world as the means God has chosen to draw His Elect to Himself as He applies that Salvation to their life; and as a means of separating the wheat from the chaff particularly in our day.

    The True Gospel is the "savor of life unto life and death unto death" as we read in 2 Corinthians 2

    2 Corinthians 2:15-17 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

    It is not the business of the True Believer to decide or know who is one of God's Elect and who is not. That is God's business not our business. Our task is to be an ambassador of God's Kingdom.

    2 Corinthians 5:17-20. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Thanks Giannis.

    1 Corinthians 5:4-5 is the account

    Here is how I understand what we are discussing.

    4,5) - "In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

    To deliver such an one unto Satan FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH, THAT THE SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED IN THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS.

    I don't believe Paul is talking about condemnation as to one's salvation.

    He's not talking about forgiveness of sins. He's talking about excommunicating this person.

    The Corinthians was a proud church and continuing on as if there was nothing wrong. Delivering him to Satan for the destruction of the flesh would be his just punishment.

    This is chastening not condemning.

    ( that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.)

    This would cause him to repent, I will come to that later.

    As we read on in the following verses we see where Paul urges them to not keep company with evil doers of the world.

    He is now writing them to not keep company with any man that is called a brother that's an evil doer.

    A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. ( 1 Corinthians 5:6-13.

    Back to the evil doer in question. I believe here in 2 Corinthians 2:2-11 we have the account where this guy repented from those evil deeds.

    Paul was coming down on the whole congregation for this cause.

    I believe this account is in

    2 Corinthians 7:8-12.

    Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. ( That's Christ. )

    We are commissioned to preach Christ. If a person reject Christ, that person shall be bound on earth as he or she is bound in heaven: and if that person receives Christ he or she shall loosed on earth as they are loosed in heaven.

    I agree, perhaps others may like to share their thoughts.

    Thanks and God bless
  • Hammer63 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    I agree with Bro. Dan. These verses come to mind. 2 Corinthians 2:6 "Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many". Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Roman 11:22 sums up what Bro. Dan said. Note that this what we need to "behold" when we view God. "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Well said Chris

    my wrong Scripture reference,

    not 2 Corinthians 2:15, but 2 Corinthians 5:15
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 105 - 1 year ago
    Thanks Texsis. As you probably know, even the name 'Christian' was given to 'those Christ followers' by the people in Antioch ( Acts 11:26), & was intended to be used in a derogatory manner, as Gerald has pointed out in his other comments. So it wasn't a glowing affectionate name that was given at that time but it certainly became a badge worthy to be carried on their, & our, hearts & lips, with great honor.

    And Paul considered himself to be an apostle ( 1 Corinthians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 2:1), though the sense here I think, was that he was numbered with the other apostles yet one born out of due time (i.e. the others were direct witnesses of Jesus, walked with Him & called by Him, whereas Paul's qualification was of his explicit vision & calling to be Jesus' chosen vessel). Since Paul's day, there has been no other apostle, except Barnabas & those others since, who fulfil the apostolic definition of being God's messenger to the unsaved but not of the original 12 + 1.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks for that Suze. I agree with much that you wrote, but rather than deal with each part of it, I would ask, What is the origin of our carnal minds? What was in Paul's mind when he stated, "the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God" Romans 8:7,8: where does this carnal mind/carnal life, lived in the flesh, come from?

    Is this something God has given us from our birth, or has another intruded into humanity causing us to sin against God & that sin has been passed on to all generations? ( Romans 5:12; Acts 5:3; 1 Timothy 5:14,15; 2 Corinthians 2:10,11; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; Luke 22:31,32; etc., are a few verses showing Satan's activity, from the first day till the day he is put away, & our ongoing struggle to withstand him & his devices & to live in the power & joy of the Holy Spirit).

    Satan is never absent - He is present - He is at work - and working in the hearts & minds of those who choose to live according to the dictates of their flesh & not in the fullness of the Spirit. Such were the gross sins of those kings mentioned earlier - if Ananias & Sapphira could have Satan gripping their heart so as to lie to the Spirit, how much more of Satan's control over those kings & indeed so many rulers/govts of today & their workings against Jesus Christ.
  • Rick Mentzer - 2 years ago
    Knowing God or Knowing God

    AS with all things in Gods Word words are used with precision and this one is no exception. In the Gospel

    of John 13:7 Jesus answers and says to peter What I does't now thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.

    The key is the word know it is either oida[ which is to have factual understanding by the senses ]example I know have

    knowledge that people sail boats but I have no learned experience of how they work. The first know is oida just

    knowledge. The second know is ginosko spiritual understanding received by explanation of the one giving the knowledge.

    The one giving the second is God by way of His spirit when born again 2 Corinthians 2:14 the natural man cannot

    ginosko know Gods love grace mercy etc. because these cannot be known unless born again. Its interesting to follow

    this word throughout scripture to better understand Gods word. Many times the religious leaders of his day had

    head knowledge of God the scripture and the looks but no spiritual understanding at all no connection.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Part 2

    When we die it is the same as when we sleep, we are not conscious, we are asleep in Jesus, Psalm 146:4 Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 we have no knowledge of our surroundings or time. This is the spirit that goes back to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 12:7.

    1 Thessalonians 4:14, when Jesus returns, this earth is round and those that are Christs will come from all over, and we see different places describing the gathering, Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 along with Jesus, God brings those that are Christs with Him, the second coming back to earth to set up the kingdom on earth. I understand those who believe in the rapture being carried to heaven will disagree.

    Soul; Hebrew, nephesh, meaning a soul, living being animal or human, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. Greek psuch meaning, life, as the seat of affections and will, the self, the conscience, the individual. In our conscience that is in our soul is where the battle of the desires of the flesh and the Spirit. This is what remains asleep in the grave where ever the grave may be, awaiting resurrection when we put on immortality. Psalms 49:15 John 5:28-29

    When are we absent from this body? 2 Corinthians 2:6-10 When do we appear at the judgment seat? 1 Thessalonians 2:19 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. When is a corn plant absent from its seed is it not when it springs forth from its grave of the earth? We are sown and until we are resurrected, being changed like the corn seed from corruption to incorruption, and this mortal puts on immortality being freed from this body of corruption, then we will be present with the Lord.

    Sorry I got wordy I am sure not all will agree but that is ok this is just what I see.

    God bless us all in the love of Jesus.

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    2 Corinthians 2:7, should read 2 Corinthians 5:17. Apologies, don't know what happened there.
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    Hello Doug. Just to add to brothers Rick & Kent's wise advice, my thoughts first turn to 1 Corinthians 9:24-27. This speaks of not just a disciplined body to run the spiritual race before us, but we must note that the Apostle Paul's first act was to engage his mind in that direction. Without being fully convinced & fully focussed on winning the race, all other exercises to attain our goal will ultimately fail. Every professional athlete knows that it is both mind & body that are exercised & engaged to win the prize. A body that is prepared, but with a mind wandering on the concerns of family & other matters, or with having some doubt of winning, has already set a precedent for failure.

    And when Paul tells us in Romans 12:2, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God", he speaks of changing the focus from off worldly matters & pursuits (though, we must still live in the world). Paul uses the Greek word that we know as 'metamorphosis', or to transform or change into a "new creature" ( 2 Corinthians 2:7) by first causing our minds to be renewed (re-focussed; in a new direction). And this can only happen when we first determine this in our hearts & minds, allowing God's Spirit to take full control, thereby causing us to have power to live for Christ & to live to make Christ known. And indeed, as already been said, our minds need to feed on God's Word that our spirits might be refreshed daily, giving "proof (in our hearts) of that good, acceptable & perfect Will of God" in our lives.
  • Sopuruchi nwankwo on 2 Corinthians 2 - 2 years ago
    For i am the son and servant of God almight
  • Mark - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 13 - 2 years ago
    Maybe they helped Paul when Paul wasn't able to? Paul could have been in prison or otherwise needing assistance.

    Paul refers to Titus helping him before:

    2 Corinthians 12:18 and with him sent a "brother" who may have been Lucas.

    2 Corinthians 2:13

    2 Corinthians 7:6
  • Mountain Preacher on 2 Corinthians 2 - 2 years ago
    We in the church are hurt and disappointed when one of God children whom we have had Godly fellowship with is caught publicly in open sin. It is hard for us to forgive them but we must in order to keep Satan from getting the foot hold in the church.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 2 - 2 years ago
    Amen Preacher.

    Here's a verse that comes to mind.

    Galatians 6:1-4. Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

    For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

    But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
  • Mountain Preacher on 2 Corinthians 2 - 2 years ago
    We in the church are hurt and disappointed when one of God children whom we have had Godly fellowship with is caught publicly in open sin. It is hard for us to forgive them but we must in order to keep Satan from getting the foot hold in the church.
  • Solomon on 2 Corinthians 2 - 2 years ago
    Well understandable and easy to follow
  • Helen Brown on 2 Corinthians 2 - 3 years ago
    I really enjoy reading the Bible on your site, but the book of 2 Corintians looks strange and I don't particularly like all the paragraphs run together like that. Weird
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 96 - 3 years ago
    Have a look at the following passages:

    1 Corinthians 5:1-7. Noting verse 5 which speaks of evidence of fornication in the Church, that the Church is required to take action against the offender. The Church is to resign him into the worldly kingdom (of the Devil), not for the purposes of total rejection & eternal damnation, but to the end that the sinner might come to his senses, repent of his evil, turn back to the Lord & therefore restored into fellowship with God's people in a holy environment. And a further letter by Paul, which we think he might have referred to the same instance in his first letter: 2 Corinthians 2:6-8.

    1 Timothy 1:18-20. Paul speaking of Hymenaeus and Alexander, who blasphemed against God, making their 'faith' totally worthless. Paul said that he "delivered them to Satan for the purpose that they may acknowledge their sin & repent.

    Romans 16:17. This verse doesn't specifically put out a vile person from the Church, but says to avoid them that cause divisions & teach what is contrary to true doctrine. This is done so that the person may be shamed for their behaviour & so will either cease from doing those things or leave of his own accord. Also 2 Thessalonians 3:6.

    Titus 3:10-11. Again here, a heretic should be first warned, not once, but twice, & then despatched if they refuse to repent.

    All the above Scriptures were penned by the Apostle Paul to believers & we believe that the apostle wrote & spoke with the full authority of Jesus. So discipline in the Church is necessary & if not administered correctly & swiftly, then sin will affect the whole Body, corrupting it with false teaching - we see so much of it today where extra-biblical sources are used in teaching or the Word of God is twisted to suit their own ends, & the Church then becomes altogether pathetic & useless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Matthew 9 - 3 years ago
    Interestingly, authors sometimes use the 'third person' rather than the 'first person' nouns or pronouns. We can see it in Numbers 12:1-4 when Moses uses it in his writing. Also, John 13:23, John was speaking about himself as the "disciple whom Jesus loved". Jeremiah 1:1: "The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah" but in Jeremiah 2:1, he says "the Word of the Lord came to me". And Paul in 2 Corinthians 2:2, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago", referring to himself.

    So, it's not unusual for authors to write in the first or third person, but the reason they do it can be varied. Maybe, they prefer that style, or to keep the focus on another in some special context, or even to avoid being too forward in their writing by using the first person pronoun. And then again, these same authors can revert to the first person elsewhere, so we can't judge them without knowing their purpose for doing so but as long as we can understand & appreciate the message they gave.
  • Carleton on Acts 3 - 3 years ago
    Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devises.

    2 Corinthians 2:11
  • William shorter - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 2 - 4 years ago
    This a journey of faith. of love, grace and mercy. not feelings but faith from your heart. its what we live by. believe the word , apply the word.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 4 years ago
    I counted about (45) in my Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of The Bible : it means
    Aroma; pleasing & acceptable:fragrance (sacrifices acceptable to God)

    Genesis 8:21
    Exodus 29:18
    Exodus 29:25
    Leviticus 1:9
    Numbers 15:3
    2 Corinthians 2:15

    Hopefully that's helpful :)
  • Bruce Jones on 2 Corinthians 2 - 4 years ago
    I like t o read the bible
  • Anthony Fontaine on 2 Corinthians 2 - 4 years ago
    We must first understand the text in its truest form. To start, focus on the word "CALM". What is its root in the HEBREW text? How can it be applied to my life today? I believe that if I can find the real meaning to the questions I've asked I will be able to apply that truth to my personal walk with Christ. Pray my strength!!!
  • Foxy111 on 2 Corinthians 2 - 4 years ago
    DEWEY where is the woman.she was not in the church. read paul . he came from a diffent place foxyrock 111
  • Randy Ball on 2 Corinthians 2 - 5 years ago
    The Bible is true of we read something that condemns us repent and go on
  • Jd on 2 Corinthians 2 - 5 years ago
    1Cor.1:5 confronts the sin of a man who was called a brother . the church as a whole hadn’t confronted his sexual immorality, allowing this behavior to continue could have eventually destroyed the church. Paul penned 2 cor. 2 less than 1 year later proving the rebuke was successful,the man repented and needed to be restored.The confrontation of sin and forgiveness of sin are both necessary
  • Felicia on 2 Corinthians 2 - 5 years ago
    V14 - Thank you Father for making us strong in Christ to overcome, and more, that through us You make it clear everywhere the value of knowing You.
  • BSP on 2 Corinthians 2 - 5 years ago
    The Bible s comforting message is like a pleasurable smell that spreads to all. It can be soothing and uplifting.


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