Discuss Proverbs 1

  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    God's apparent contradictions: Examining Psalm 107 compared to Proverbs 1:26-28 and like passages

    We see in the first example God's patience when people were about to head to destruction; either physical or spiritual death or both how throughout several earlier Biblical events God's people were delivered and rescued when at wits end and they called upon His name. The second passage and others such as we find in Jeremiah and Micah to name just two show where God will not hear; and in the case of this section of Proverbs mocks them in their calamity.

    One can generalize of how God chastises all those He loves such as we see in Proverbs 3:12 (just a couple chapters later) and Hebrews 12:6. These techniques were primarily for the nation of Israel in the Old Testament and His church today. Exceptions exist; however such as those who offered profane fire before the Lord in Numbers 16 who deliberately rebelled against God's chosen prophet (Moses) and suffered immediate judgment. Moses surely wasn't the only one either who was saved but couldn't enter the Promised Land (only Caleb and Joshua could from the original generation along with their children).

    In the case of Pagan nations; such as in Psalm 2 and examples of wholesale slaughter in the Old Testament of the nations around Israel were a result of their vile abominations; with child sacrifice being a top thing causing wrath no doubt. Psalm 2 is a parallel to Revelation 19 where those having taken the Mark of the Beast are led by the 3 frog like spirits coming out of Satan's evil "trinity" to be led to Armageddon to fight Christ (although there may be some trickery at first to convince them that they are fighting the last battle for control over the earth by destroying the armies coming against Antichrist.)

    This gives us assurance that those who are His elect will be saved; even if chastisement shortens their earthly existence ( 1 Cor. 11:30). This is the difference between those He hears or not.
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Thedorse,

    So true, and I agree with much that you said.

    Today, and foe many years now, Preachers don't preach and acknowledge the truth about sin, and everlasting hell, and they are leading their congregations straight down the wide path to hell! Matthew 25:41 James 3:1

    We MUST fear God! This is the very beginning of knowledge. Proverbs 1:7

    God is Vengeful and He tells us so. Hell is God's way of getting His vengeance. Isaiah 47:3

    God knows us better than we could ever imagine. He knows, that if we have NO FEAR to motivate us to change our ways, we will continue in sin. God is also Love. He sacrificed his Son for us so thru Him we can recieved forgivness. He provides His Holy Spirit to break the bonds of sin. Preachers are not helping anyone by not preaching Hell and the fear of God!

    If we are still repeatedly sinning..we DO NOT have God's Holy Spirit. Hebrews 10:26 God's Holy Spirit will not let us habitually sin.

    Today, most so called Christian Pastors/Preachers are about the money. They don't want to focus on the sin in their congregation, if they do, they will lose their entire congregation. Sinners don't want to hear they are sinners, and they certainly don't want to think or hear about hell, they come to church to feel good about themselves and to be entertained. Churches today are all about making everyone feel good. Sad but true.

    Which reminds me of this very powerful verse 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

    The plain truth is: Sin keeps us from our God!

    GBU
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 7 months ago
    One Eighty,

    I'm sorry but the scriptures DO NOT agree with you.

    John 5:14 "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

    Jesus warns that if we continue sinning only worse things will happen!

    Proverbs 1:7

    "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

    Matthew 10:28

    "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

    Proverbs 14:2

    "He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him."

    Job 28:28

    "And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."

    God is FEAR and LOVE! If we are wise we will love Him and fear Him!

    GBU
  • Chris - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hello Michaelantoni. The Hebrew word given for 'witty inventions', is as you've shown, 'mezzimah'. In your study, you would have also found out how that word is used in the other verses. In Proverbs 8:12 that you shared, this Hebrew word implies 'one's power to devise or show discretion'. Hence, the verse could read, 'I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge through the use of discretion.' Or further with that verse, 'I wisdom enjoy good sense, acquiring knowledge by the use of discretion'. And we see the same word, 'mezzimah', with its specific meaning used in Proverbs 1:4, Proverbs 2:11, Proverbs 3:21 & Proverbs 5:2.

    And yes, we can see that word being applied towards 'thoughts' ( Jeremiah 23:20); 'intents' ( Jeremiah 30:24); 'device/plan' ( Jeremiah 51:11). And then we see it in 'evil thoughts' ( Psalm 10:4); 'evil schemes' ( Job 21:27); 'lewd/wicked acts' ( Jeremiah 11:15); wicked speech ( Psalm 139:20).

    So to understand 'mezzimah', which meaning can be quite diverse, we need to read it as the verse gives it, in its correct context. So 'discretion or one's power to devise' appears to be the primary meaning of 'mezzimah', but how that word is used will give other associated meanings, i.e. whether one's mind works for that which is good & wholesome, or towards evil thoughts & acts. So, I believe we find an agreement here.
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Jema,

    Jesus tells us below - that we should fear God as He can cast us into hell.

    Luke 12:4-5

    4And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

    Here a just a few of many verses stating that the unjust/unbeliever/unrepentant sinner will suffer for eternity in Hell.

    Luke 16:22-25

    Matt 25:41

    Matt 3:12

    Matt 25:46

    Daniel 12:2

    Mark 9:44-49

    2 Thess 1:8-9

    Rev 20:10

    Rev 14:10-11

    I know in the world we live in today, the popular belief among many preachers and Christians is that God is only good, kind, loving, and forgiving, and because of this - He will not throw anyone into Hell - to suffer for eternity. But that God will only leave us dead for eternity. This kind of teaching is false doctrine and does not conform to the bible, and Jesus own words. As Christian's we must always have a healthy fear of God.

    Proverbs 1:7

    "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

    God tells us Hell is real!

    Read and Believe!
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    You'll find this in Proverbs 25:28, Sansee.
  • Sansee Toombs on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Where is the Proverb thst states He who does not rule his own spirit is like a city without walls
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Richard:

    All of Daniel; as will as all other books, is a Prophecy of CHRIST, none of Daniel or other books is a prophecy of a single anti-christ.

    Daniel 8:25 is speaking of Christ.

    Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom (man's kingdom), when the transgressors are come to full, a king (Christ) of fierce countenance, and UNDERSTANDING DARK SENTENCES, shall stand up.

    Psalms 778:2 I (Christ) will open my mouth in a parable: I (Christ) will utter DARK SAYINGS of old:

    Psalms 49:4 I (Christ) will incline my ear to a parable: I (Christ) will open my DARK SAYINGS upon the harp (a symbol of man).

    Proverbs 1:6 To UNDERSTAND a proverb, and the INTERPRETATION; the words of the wise (God's words); and their DARK SAYINGS.

    God Bless YOU!
  • A. - 1 year ago
    Psalm 19:14 kjv,

    Proverbs 1:5 ,

    Proverbs 5:1-2 ,

    Proverbs 15:1-5,

    Proverbs 18:15,

    James 1:5 kjv.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Yes Jesse, you are right. I thought Herod died of old age, but no he died due to a horrible illness.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Carol,

    Here is part 2:

    Another reason why he (Herod) gave the order to have them put to death when he died was so that the Jewish people would have somebody to mourn over because he knew that they would not mourn over him.



    That is the kind of man he was. That's how paranoid he was over his "ruler-ship."



    Now, can you imagine if a group of men came into town and said "Where is He who is born king of the Jews?"



    Now here's how Herod died, and if you research the accounts of his death, you will see that he died a horrible death. He was riddled with disease and here's the circumstances:



    Herod's wife's name was Miriam. After he had her put to death, he missed her. He would see various women and think that they were her. And eventually he went down and got involved with prostitutes.



    There was one in particular that he thought was his wife, and he called her by name, and he had relationships with her.



    He caught diseases from that relationship, which literally, if you would read the account, it was a pretty bad death. He died in 4 B.C. He died a horrible death!



    So you can imagine his paranoia about Jesus as these wise men came into town asking where is he who is born King of the Jews.



    Herod's thoughts were "I'm the king of the Jews. What are you talking about?" This man Herod, he went crazy. This was Herod the great, Herod the king.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Carol,

    I can share a little on Herod the king that we see in Matthew Chapter 2, information about him, and also how he died.

    Here are some important facts about Herod the king:

    He's also known as "Herod the great" in times of history. This man was an Edomite.

    He was not a Jew. And yet at the same time, through the Roman government, he took control over the Jewish people.



    In order to win them over, he would help them. He would actually take gold from his home and from his palace and have the gold sold and the money brought in to feed the poor.



    Not only did he help the poor, but he would have athletic fields built and he would have various activities going on to help the community of the Jews so that he would win their favor.

    The flip side of Herod the great was that he was crazy. A crazy man can only be nice for so long. But he was paranoid over his reign as king. And so you can imagine what is taking place in Matthew Chapter 2.



    Herod was so paranoid over people plotting against him that he had three of his sons put to death because he thought they were plotting against him.



    He had his first two sons killed, Alexander and Aristobulus. And later he killed Antipater who was supposed to take the throne. He had his wife put to death because he thought she was plotting against him.



    Numerous members of the family, if he saw them together and thought that they were speaking together against him behind his back, he would have them put to death.



    He died approximately a year after the Lord was born. And in knowing that he was about to die, he had a decree made that all of the leaders in Jerusalem would be rounded up and placed into a holding area.

    And at the moment he died, they would all be put to death so that he would know that no leader would succeed him to the throne.

    I need to send a part 2, and I will also share with you how he died.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Julius Caesar was assassinated, and King Herod (the first Herod since in the Bible there is 3 of them) died of old age.
  • Carol C. on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    How did Julious Ceasar and King Herod die ?
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 2 - 1 year ago
    That would be a tall order to fill Sharmine - to give a full explanation of Proverbs chapters 1 & 2. But I'll share an outline for you that might be a little useful.

    Proverbs 1:1. Clearly, King Solomon is the major Author/contributor. And the meaning of Proverbs: these are the sayings taken from everyday life & intended to serve as practical guidelines for 'successful' living.

    Proverbs 1:2-6. Its Purpose is that the reader might know wisdom & allow it to govern his/her life.

    Proverbs 1:7. The Theme of the book is that the fear (deep reverence) of the LORD is the starting point and essence of wisdom (and Wisdom is the correct application of knowledge that comes through a right relationship with God).

    Proverbs 1:8 to Proverbs 9:18. Show the Precepts of Wisdom (rules to be followed).

    a. 1:8-19 (avoid bad company).

    b. 1:20-33 (to heed Wisdom's advice; wisdom personified as a woman inviting all to come to her & learn).

    c. 2:1-22 (the master teacher describes the joyful results of pursuing & acquiring Wisdom: Wisdom is God-given (vv6,7) & is beneficial as it delivers one from the ways of evil men (vv10-15), from the arms of the adulteress (vv 16-19), and preserves one's life & character (vv 20-22).

    Hopefully, this broad outline will help you read & learn these chapters' contents & the reason for their writing.
  • Neema on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    The bible study versus
  • Jesse - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Kile,

    Are you asking about John Chapter 1 Verse 3, or are you asking about I, II, & III John?
  • Kile Goodman on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Could I get insite on the book of John 1-3
  • T Levis - In Reply on Isaiah 44 - 1 year ago
    The Book of Proverbs hits hard, it shows us where we fall short. It's always good to return there for guidance & wisdom as we walk closer to the upward calling of CHRIST. Philippians 3:14, Proverbs 1:1,

    It may be best to encourage yourself by reading Psalms 139, Romans 8, John 17, Jude 1:24-25, while you reading Proverbs.

    Hopefully this is encouraging & helpful
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Jacqui. In Hebrew, 'soul' (nephesh) is a feminine noun. So David is specifically referring to his soul, his inner being, that will glory/rejoice in the LORD, rather than giving the impression that his glorying is simply a mental or superficial act. In many languages, Hebrew included, the gender is not applied to the person speaking, but to the object being referred to.

    Another example can be seen in Proverbs 1:20,21, "Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words". Here, Wisdom, in Hebrew, is a feminine noun, so when wisdom is revealed or spoken about, we read it in the feminine gender.
  • Esther on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    I very liked it
  • Luke - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    You're like a lily among thorns is what God says when He sees His Election, You're like a lily among thornes, so is MY FRIEND among the (Daughters/ DAMSELS/ the people) who have been misled thru false teachings is what God is saying :

    It's beautiful ! Just beautiful ! Precious !
  • Chris - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Natasha. The verse is from Song of Solomon 2:2, "As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters." This is, I believe, Solomon's bride speaking, as the following verses suggest (others, refer it to it as Solomon's words).

    So, the Shulamite bride, in this verse, sees herself as a lily peering through the surrounding thorny bushes, and she compares that to the intense love she has for Solomon, far exceeding the love from the maidens. Now why this verse was inscribed onto a headstone, I cannot be sure. The only thought that comes to mind, is the wife's/husband's (or, family's) strong sentiments of endless love for their dear departed. The other option would be, that the character of the departed one was truly extraordinary & exemplary, far above others they have known. But I would prefer the first option.

    And as a side-note: many of the passages in the Songs, give us a picture of Christ Jesus & His Love for His Church.
  • Natasha Norsworthy on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    If someone put a Bible verse on a headstone the meaning of as the lily of the thorns so is my love for the daughters what does that mean
  • PROPHECY - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    No one is going to change someones opinion, that's the Holy Ghost's job, we are just to preach truth.

    Truth does not contradict God's words.

    You don't go to heaven.

    You (sinful flesh) DIED on the Cross, you, the (glorified) BODY of Christ, was raised back by the resurrection of Christ.

    The Spirit (in a glorified body) goes back to God that gave it.

    Christ, the glorified Body, (LIFE and TRUTH) is in man ( Colossians 1:27).

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Those chosen in this age, WILL BE ONE with Christ: IN MAN bringing man to GOD ( John 1:51).

    Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet (of man) be deceived when he has spoken such a thing, I the Lord HAVE DECEIVED that prophet .....

    1 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause GOD SHALL SEND them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    The whole world is DECEIVED, only the Holy Ghost can reveal truth.

    1 Thessalonians 2:12 That they ALL (everyone of us) might be damned (JUDGED, now or later, by God's words) who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS (in the ages to come) SHALL BE subdued to him, the shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL.

    We either come to truth now; and become ONE with the WORD, in this age, or latter, in the ages to come. God's CHOICE.

    Psalms 22:27 And all the ends of the world SHALL REMEMBER (when they are resurrected back into bodies of flesh and judged by God's words) and turn unto the Lord: for all kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

    ALL God's WORDS will be fulfilled ( Isaiah 55:11).

    God Bless You.
  • Grae - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    A tad aggressive perhaps ? Why do any of us ( including u and I ) come on here ? If not to state our beliefs and discuss with others ? Why do u get so wound up when some one says something that u don't believe ? I don't c why there should b one rule for u and one rule for everyone else . Maybe u just want a site where everyone agrees with u and validates your beliefs all the time . It's not a personal attack on u when someone doesn't believe the same things as u do . I'm outta here .
  • Alex N - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Amanda God had a Divine purpose in mind for all the world when he made that great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven.... Gen 22:17 kjv ...Thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts that we might birth a Baby Christ in our hearts (multiplication) ....Which is the ManChild the H.G. that is gonna rule all nations....God was so Passionate about this great Promise that he swore by his very self....God wants to live in humanity and be marrried to humanity via this Manchild the H.G. The gift of God which is the Kingdom in us....Thats y God wanted a new Covenant which wd be all inclusive....But this New Covenant had to be dedicated with the blood of JESUS...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...God needed a lamb to dedicate this New Covenant...God saw that there was no man thus HIS OWN ARM BROUGHT HIM THE VICTORY...Jesus

    ......Whats the meaning of all this.... That God wd receive perfect Praise as Jesus said God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth....HE SEEKETH SUCH TO WORHIP HIM....And its no wonder as he wants to be married to humanity.....And as Isaiah said he saw all the world at rest and full of his GLORY...12:41 KJV

    ......Jesus said outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has Perfected PRAISE.....Isaiah said a lil Child is gona lead them....The babes and sucklings are his offspring...Isaiah said he wd see his seed and be satisfied

    ......And thats y he must be Multiplied as the stars of Heaven....That every man might get a measure of Faith a GOOD seed to birth a Baby Christ the H.G....The Children of Promise....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....
  • Adam - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Amanda, I don't believe God necessarily chooses to know what we're going to do. He's powerful enough that He can choose to be in our timeframe if He wants. God can also change His mind, based on human input, like on destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. We have free will to choose and its totally up to us, we're not robots. So, the purpose of life is in our choices- to follow God and obey, or to follow evil and satan. To love or hate. Life is one big test in my opinion. God isn't going to just let everyone into heaven to disrupt and cause chaos. Satan apparently had freewill in heaven to do that and defy God. Fortunately we have grace and can stumble and have many chances. Sadly, most people will reject Jesus and go to hell, but there's a chance we can help those who are lost to share the truth. Matthew 7:13
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Earl.

    You said "The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.

    Creation is DECEIVED.

    Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.

    THEN YOU QUOTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

    1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    HOW CAN WE BE DECEIVED BY THE GOOD PLEASURE AND WILL OF CHRIST.

    And according to your theology SO WHAT! WE ALL GO TO HEAVEN.

    Unless you are telling us that a deceived person will not.

    You never answered when asked IF ANY AND EVERY VIEW IS ACCEPTED. WHY DO YOU GO THROUGH SUCH INTENSE MEASURES TO PITCH YOURS.

    Why not let a person believe what he wants do what he wants if we all ends up with the same fate?

    Here's the question again for YOU.

    Why do it matter so much to you that we change our views and accept yours if in the end it doesn't matter? Not looking for verses, Just an explanation.

    Still Waiting.
  • Luke - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    2 Peter 3

    4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming ? for

    from the day the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as

    they were from the beginning of the creation."

    5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of

    God the heavens were of old, and the earth consisting of

    ... water and through ... water:

    6 By which means the world that then was, being

    overflowed with water, perished:

    7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same

    word are treasured up, reserved for fire unto a day of

    judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

    8 But, beloved, let not this one thing be hidden from you,

    that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a

    thousand years as one day.


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