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  • Cheryl1655 on 1 Thessalonians 1 - 8 months ago
    Thessalonians Chapter 1 verse 10. explain , to wait for his son to be raised from the dead , even Jesus, wasn't Jesus his son ?
  • Jcubria - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 1 - 8 months ago
    BBE

    10Waiting for his Son from heaven, who came back from the dead, even Jesus, our Saviour from the wrath to come.

    DNT

    10and to await his Son from the heavens, whom he raised from among the dead, Jesus, our deliverer from the coming wrath.

    These alternate translations might be a little clearer, yet I still prefer the KJV rendition.

    Blessings!
  • One eighty - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Blessings Cheryl1655,

    For clarification, Chris correctly used the term "this" Jesus in the fourth sentence of his reply, referring to the Son. For further clarification, the word "even" in v 10 doesn't infer to an additional individual other than Jesus. Try replacing the word "even" with the word "yes"; or the words "who is", and of course the word "even.

    What I read in this verse reminds me that it was the power from the God of Life which overcame death. The rising of Jesus manifested in deliverance. It didn't occur through crucifixion which is death. Although this death appears as reality to us, how real was it to God and/or Jesus to whom death holds no power over.

    It would seem reasonable that God's Holy Son couldn't fear death at all because God God is Life, not death, and thus death is meaningless because what God creates shares His life. Oh death, where is thy sting now?

    Just as Perfect Love drives out fear, so does God Who is Life drive out its opposite which is death. Life and death cannot coexist: both cannot be God's reality; truth. Perhaps they both cannot be ours.

    God Is

    peace
  • Cheryl1655 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    No, that does not explain it, the verse reads raise his son and even Jesus speaking of 2 separate people ?
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi Cheryl1655,

    If I may, the word even is italicized, it was added by the translators thinking it would help English understanding. Read it without the word even and see if that helps. Sometimes the italicized words help, but sometimes they don't. In this verse, it is not two, it is one, the Son of God, Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

    My understanding of this verse, we are to wait for God's Son/Jesus who will be coming from heaven, (Jesus's second coming) the Son whom God raised from the dead, 2000 years ago is Jesus. And Jesus/the Son of God is the one who died for us and delivered us from the wrath to come.

    I hope this helps and forgive me if I have made it more confusing.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 1 - 8 months ago
    Hello Cheryl1655. I think you might have misread that verse. Going back to the previous verse (v9), the Apostle Paul wrote to the Christians there, that after the Gospel came to them, they turned from serving idols to serve the Living God. And not just that, but (in v10), that they now awaited expectantly for Jesus' Return (God's Son coming from Heaven), this Jesus, Whom God had ALREADY raised from the dead, & would deliver them from the wrath to come (of everyday tribulations & the Great Tribulation that is yet to come). So Jesus who had died & rose from the grave, God will one day send Him back to deliver them & us. I hope that clarifies this verse for you.
  • Carleton - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 1 - 8 months ago
    Hello, I agree with brother Chris that verse 9 and 10 are communicating the message of the living and true God and those who once served idols can now serve by the power of the Holy Ghost vs 5, the one who came from heaven, the Son, who was raised from the dead, delivered us by faith vs 3 from the wrath to come, even Jesus.



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